Talk:Heart Attack (Demi Lovato song)

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Release Date[edit]

So, the song is already on iTunes so why is the release date stated as March 5?--Babar Suhail (talk) 22:06, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. There is an iTunes source that says it was released today and another iTunes one saying that it's March 5 and finally there are other sites reporting that it's March 4, which was the planned date... --Sofffie7 (talk) 22:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to point of the date is corrected now. The original date was that of March 5th, so the iTunes database had that. The song leaked so they rush released it. This happens from time to time.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The term "cardiologically-themed songs"[edit]

I know that "cardiologically-themed singles" was originally used by Billboard as a smart way of referencing "Give Your Heart a Break", but are there any other songs that has to do with hearts or something cardio-related like heartbeats? Otherwise, I think the phrase in the lead section "Following Lovato's other cardiologically-themed songs," is extremely confusing and taken out of context. I've removed it for the time being; feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. ⊾maine12329⊿ talks@wiki 12:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Picture of Ariana Grande[edit]

Thevampireashlee (talk · contribs) seems to think that a picture of Ariana Grande adds something to the article. It's been removed several times from two different users (one of which was myself). Discuss it here. Zach 06:33, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

The picture was removed on the grounds of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, or so you cited in the edit description. I would understand if the image was removed because it served no other purpose than to decorate the article, but that's not why I added it. So far, "Heart Attack" has sold the third highest of any single released in 2013. That's quite a feat, and it's very notable to mention that in the article. However, the single was originally the second best-selling until Ariana Grande (a pop new-comer) dethroned her. Other song articles on Wikipedia post pictures of artists that have broken sales records, so why is this one different? Some of these articles have even passed the good article criteria. The photo of Grande is available under a free-license and its inclusion helps highlight a key point of the article. Its inclusion isn't awkward or distracting; it only enhances the meaning of the article. So, why is it being removed? --Thevampireashlee (talk) 00:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
The image was not removed on the grounds of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, your reason for inclusion is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Ariana has nothing at all to do with the song. At all. Nothing. A picture of her adds nothing to the article. Just because it's available for use doesn't mean it should be used. It's inclusion is both awkward and distracting. Zach 00:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
But she does have quite a bit to do with the record set by the song. How can you say she has nothing to do with it? Did you even read what I wrote? --Thevampireashlee (talk) 00:24, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
The fact that other articles employ images for similar reasons is only a very minor justification for including it. Without it, the other reasons I provided are sufficient enough. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 00:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
How? She beat her record. It's four months into 2013, someone else will do it again. Does that mean we clog the articles up with images of people who broke their records? The only mention of her in the article is: "the Ariana Grande and Mac Miller collaboration "The Way" coming in as the second." 15 of the article's 1133 words. Zach 00:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You cannot say that. And it's not our place to judge either. Right now, the record was beaten by her. It's extremely notable in my opinion, and the article aids in the conveyance of that point. Removing it will only harm the article. I find the positioning and the location of the image to be quite attractive also. In what way is it "clogging" up the article, as you put it. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 00:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Removing an image of someone who is mentioned in one sentence in the article does not harm it in any way. Seeing what Ariana looks like does not help the reader understand the song any. Zach 00:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I disagree with you. Reading about the record being broken could cause someone to ask "who is she?", and they could quickly see without having to click over to another article. It's convenient, it aids in illustrating the point. But once your friend shows up and gives their opinion, the image will be removed, and my opinion will be completely irrelevant.(edit) Additionally, it could save someone from reading through the entire paragraph to find the information they're looking for (again, a very key point about the song); the caption and image help draw attention to it. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 00:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I think you need to calm yourself down. You're getting out of hand. "But once your friend shows up"... You're acting as if I invited my BFF to comment here. Arre 9 (talk · contribs) removed it first, I saw it before restored, and then I agreed that it should be not be there, as it does not warrant inclusion. Two users disagree with you. And us three aren't the only people on Wikipedia. Other users can freely comment here if they feel so fit to. Zach 00:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps I have over-exaggerated, but let's be honest: that's exactly what's going to happen. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 00:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── IMO, the image of Ariana is completely unneeded. Grande has nothing to do with the song, period. And it is early in the year so I'm sure these records will be broken over and over again. So maybe you can leave it till then. If you look at certain other song articles, only images of people associated with the song's production (composer, music video director, featured artist etc) are included. Or if the song has given the artist a major record like this. "Heart Attack" and its first-week sales record have already been mentioned twice in the article. I think people get it. Just suggesting (if you're eager to add a free image), but maybe an image of Kelly Clarkson would be more efficient considering multiple have compared the song to her material. Regards, Arre 03:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Grande outselling the song does have quite a bit to do with her, so I'm not sure why I'm the only one who sees that. I'm not against the idea of having a picture of Clarkson in the article where the Grande picture is, but I don't really see how that's better than the current image. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 04:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
It only outsold her first week sales. By the way, the caption is incorrect (just noticed). It reads: "Heart Attack was the second best-selling single of 2013". Where is the citation for that? The citation in the article just states that Demi had the second highest selling first week of sales for a song in 2013. Zach 04:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Grande outselling it in these early stages of the year doesn't seem extremely notable at this stage. It is already noted twice in the article and the image present seems to be used for decorative purposes. You say that Grande overtaking the song's first-week sales is a key point. It isn't. Commercial performance is just one aspect of a song. I really don't think readers care about who overtakes the song. Grande over-taking this "record" has absolutely no affect on "Heart Attack", and an image of Grande is unneeded, tbh. I think an image of Clarkson would be more efficient. Because a song by a newer artist like Lovato being compared to a well-established artist is more notable. My Pov. Anyway, I'm not too fussed, because this record will be passed (probably) very soon anyway and the image would just be pointless. Arre 13:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I see your point, Arre. It's similar to what is being done on "We R Who We R". At any rate, I've been looking at pictures of Kelly, and I think this one (File:Clarkson Live 2012.jpg) would be perfect. It's a bit passionate and dance-y. Since "Heart Attack" is compared to the EDM of Clarkson, this picture seems to represent that best. Opinions? --Thevampireashlee (talk) 14:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I have no issues, any picture of Clarkson would be great. I also like this one, but I'm not too fussed. Either one. Arre 06:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Writing credits[edit]

In two articles from MTV it is said that Demi co-wrote the song along with Mitch Allan, Jason Evigan, Sean Douglas and Nikki Williams 1, 2; it's what The X-Factor also says. Plus in this article also from MTV, Evigan explaining how the song was created, says Demi changed some lyrics; that's why she would be credited in the writing. --Sofffie7 (talk) 08:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

The iTunes Store gets their writers directly from the label. They do not credit her as such. Evigan just says that she changed a couple of lines in the song (artists do this all the time and are not always credited, see "Dance Again" - Jennifer Lopez rewrote most of the verses to the song and got no songwriting credit). Zach 08:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
In addition, BMI does not list her a writer. Zach 08:33, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thank you :) --Sofffie7 (talk) 08:39, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Of course, if she is labelled as a writer on the album (sometimes before an album release we get conflicting information, sometimes credits from single releases differ from album releases, etc.), then it will be amended. Zach 08:40, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
  • In addition to the previous four being listed as writers on BMI, Aaron Phillips and Demi Lovato have been added as writers to the album booklet.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 16:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

commercial succes of heart attack Edit request on 5 May 2013[edit]

please add this"it become platinum single in just ten weeks"its confirmed by demi herself (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: When/if it actually goes platinum, that fact can be added to the article. RudolfRed (talk) 18:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Biggest hit to date in the UK, number 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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