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Article Source[edit]

Original stub article adapted from a writeup for Everything2.com http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1331188

Additional info adapted from a writeup from http://www.moonrise.org/other/hell.shtml

Half-singed[edit]

What the heck is a "half-singed diploma"? Ivan 04:14, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

It's a diploma that looks like it's been through a fire. Tlogmer 12:05, Mar 22, 2004 (EST)

Nevermind. Irish Hermit 13:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Highway?[edit]

I did a quick look at a few maps of the area and it would appear that there are a few interstates in the area. However, I was wondering if there has been any move by any indivual or party to dub some form of highway as "The Highway To Hell". I mean I know that there was a freeway in AZ, CO, NM formerly labeled as route 666 and thus "The Devil's Highway".

  • The only road to and from Hell is Patterson Lake Rd., which does not directly connect with US 23, and is a municipally-owned road. One must reach it from the Territorial Rd. exit or continue up to M-36 to access Pinckney, and then travel one of the north-south roads to connect with Patterson Lake Rd. US 23 is an interstate-grade highway with a speed limit of 70 miles per hour (110 km/h). U.S. 666 was once an actual highway (now part of U.S. Route 491), and my home state of Pennsylvania still has a Route 666. A photo of the PA 666 sign was used on Hell's official website for several years. Bill S. (talk) 11:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

"So schoene hell" -- roughly translated as, "So bright and beautiful."[edit]

Well, being a native German speaker, I doubt the correctness of the translation "So schoene hell" as "So bright and beautiful." – Apart from a minor grammatical incorrectness, most probably it would have been "So schön hell" (or, schoen when using the correct umlaut-transliteration), hell is a German adjective meaning bright or light, but not beautiful. Schön is indeed meaning beautiful but in this context it's just used as an adjective-modifier to put emphasis on the adjective bright/light. Therefore, a better translation of "So schön hell" would be "So nicely bright" or "So lovely light" ... :-) MikeZ 10:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Just thought I'd note this here. The phrase "So schoene hell" sounds like the English words "So shines (or shone) Hell." And the translation refers to beauty and brightness. An odd little concidince I thought I'd mention. -- Auric 19:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

One Helluva Ride[edit]

There is also an annual bike ride to Hell called "One Helluva Ride" sponsored by the Ann Arbor Bicycle Touring Society (http://www.aabts.org/) -- Jsauter 16:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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Hahahaha[edit]

74.70.57.209 22:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


Here's a weird thing you may want to look into. When I was using Google Earth, and I typed in Hell, I got the same place as in the article, and in the sidebar, it mentioned George Bush living or being born there, I really can't remember. Anyways you may want to look into this or even include it as "Trivia" 70.51.87.146 00:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't know why that'd be in google earth, but he was born in New Haven, Connecticut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.47.150 (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[lamejoke] Does this place ever freeze over? [/lamejoke] 67.162.10.70 (talk) 02:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, it has, once in recorded history. On January 24, 2004, the water flow over the dam between Screams Ice Cream and the Dam Site Inn stopped flowing due to the flow being frozen. The "Hellions" (residents) consider that as the benchmark when "Hell Freezes Over".Bill S. (talk) 11:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I better behave, I'd awfully hate to end up in the US when I die. Ha ha ha ha... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sioraf (talkcontribs) 21:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

population[edit]

Don't know how to word it, but the "unofficial population" is a joke. It's presented as if it were factual, though other similar claims are acknowledged as jokes. kwami (talk) 08:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

More popular culture[edit]

I've never edited Wikipedia, and am not really sure how to do it. But, Hell, Michigan was referenced in episode 820:Space Mutiny of Mystery Science Theater 3000. The host of the show says "Crow! Servo! What the Hell, Michigan is going on?"

Here's a link Searching for "Hell" in the page will lead you to it. Just thought I'd see if anyone thought it was interesting enough to add to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.219.91.186 (talk) 08:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

January 2014 addition to "Popular culture" section[edit]

A passing one liner in a BBC news report does not really fit with "Popular culture". It isn't even approaching the record low for the area. (see Ann Arbor, Michigan#Climate). The resturant promos were over a period of time and by nature, nationwide on the media. The Travel channel show was a whole segment. The movie was set there. Someone told a lame joke about the weather. Not really the same thing. It is just trivia. See the city article guidelines for a discussion of popular culture vs. trivia. John from Idegon (talk) 09:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of sourced factual information[edit]

The deleted information about the economy and culture of Hell is not advertising. I have no connection whatsoever to any of the businesses or activities mentioned, and I don't appreciate the assumption and insinuation that I do. I restored this material (and improved the citations to address the earlier (lazy) complaint) because it is informative about the community and its status as a local tourist destination. The community's notability is based largely on these kitschy attractions, and it cannot be properly understood without knowing about them. Articles about St. Louis or Seattle or Orlando identify the most significant events, attractions, and businesses in these places, and even have entire sections or associated articles dedicated to them; why would that be forbidden in this article? -Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Will reply later today. No time now. John from Idegon (talk) 16:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
First off, the only one not assuming good faith is you, JasonAQuest. Nothing in the edit summary I left implied any wrongdoing on anyone's part. BTW, the edits I reverted were made by an IP. It is indisputable that posting a business's name on the 6th most widely read website in the world would serve to advertise them. Nothing was implied or stated that the editor who added that edit had the intent to do that, nor was anything implied or stated that they would profit from it. Those are strictly your incorrect assumptions, and that is not assuming good faith. As far as a personal attack goes, it is hard to assume that any reference to lazy is speaking to the edit. How are words lazy? If you were offended, I am sorry, but that was not at all the intention. So much for that. Now can we attempt to be constructive?
A "lazy" edit is one that removes things because they lack citations, instead of looking for citations. (Are you the one who originally did that?) Sorry if this was unclear. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
There is a policy that explains what Wikipedia is not. One thing that mentioned there is Wikipedia is not a directory. Listing businesses just is not what Wikipedia is for. None of the business names you (or the IP?) entered were sourced to anything but themselves or equally non-WP:RS sources. Are they the only businesses in town that "trade on the novelty of the town's name" (a statement that in and of itself is POV)? How do we know? And have there been any in the past? Will there be any in the future? Obviously that is an unknown. I would not have any problem with a statement along the line of "there are several businesses in the community that reference the Devil or Hell in their names", sourced to that obviously not so reliable "Go to Hell" website. As far as the other stuff, I stand on the thing about the Kiwanis thing being useless in this article. If it had a RS independent reference, it might be useful in the article on the Kiwanis. What does it contribute to the understanding of this community? If an event has a reference from a RS outside Metro Detroit, I would be fine with it being included, in a section on events. The Guinness record thing might be useful, if it had a RS (such as Guinness). As far as stuff being in other articles, I refer you to WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS.
With the exceptions of copyright violations, libel, and outright spam, very little is actually "prohibited" on Wikipedia. Consensus rules. There is some consensus that has been decided and codified in guidelines such as the WP:USCITIES guideline that would cover this article. That guideline does not speak directly to this situation, but I think one thing it says about an "Economy" section can be informative here: "If a particular company has been crucial to the economy then discuss it but avoid listing company names for no other reason than just mentioning them." So right now as it stands, you and I appear to be the only ones interested in this particular discussion, JAQ. Therefore, one of three things can happen. We can compromise and form a consensus, which I have already proposed a version above; we can leave neutrally-worded notices at the talk page of the two projects involved on this page and ask for input; or we can take one of the steps involved in dispute resolution. I hate bureaucracy, so I would really like to avoid the last. My access to the internet is somewhat limited these days, so don't be suprised if it takes me a few days to respond. Wikipedia has no deadline. John from Idegon (talk) 05:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
So you didn't assume bad faith on my part, you assumed bad faith on the part of someone editing from an IP? Got it.
Seriously, John, this kind of legalistic defensive argument is not constructive. It's what tends to make editing Wikipedia into a frustrating experience that most people don't want to bother putting up with, and it's what's gradually driving off both new and long-time editors such as myself. (I've been on here for 10 years, editing with this account for 7, and the occasional condescending lectures like the one above about "what Wikipedia is" get tiresome after a while.) For example, you're citing a guideline against just listing company names instead of discussing why they're important to the economy, while complaining that I explained why they were important! This isn't argument toward a goal; it's argument for its own sake, and I have better things to do with my time than to waste it dealing with that kind of arbitrary obstructionism. You say you hate bureaucracy, but you've just successfully bureaucracied me out of improving this article, with this kind of petty knee-jerk nonsense. Might want to think about that a bit. Bye. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2017 regarding leadership of Hell, Michigan[edit]

Change Government position of Mayor to one Elijah Daniel, as he was proclaimed mayor on 30th August 2017. Can be verified at this source; https://twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/902973541058039808 JoelHutton (talk) 19:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done Wikipedia does not report on self-declared mayorships by comedians. The article is protected because of the rash of unsourced garbage about this. Meters (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2017[edit]

As of today (8-30-17), internet comedian Elijah Daniel has been proclaimed the official Mayor of Hell, Michigan. [1]

Not done Asked and answered. Meters (talk) 20:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2017[edit]

Add that as of August 30th, 2017, Elijah Daniel is the mayor. https://twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/902973541058039808 ReidSandlund (talk) 20:18, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done TimothyJosephWood 20:19, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Elijah Daniel[edit]

Folks, he's not the mayor. It's an unincorporated community so it does not have a mayor. Daniel is a comedian who has declared himself to be the mayor. The article has been protected because of the multiple attempts to add this. Stop asking to have his mayorship added. Multiple requests are not going to change anything. Meters (talk) 20:24, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, it's not really self-declared. "It's part of Hell's "Mayor for a Day" attraction in which guests can pay $100 to watch over the city for 24 hours." If it was presented in that context, it could be a useful addition to the article.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/mayor_of_hell_bans_all_straigh.html

http://www.gotohellmi.com/store/p105/Mayor_of_Hell_for_the_Day.html 98.201.215.34 (talk) 09:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

The key word is promotion. Not our job. This community is pushing on 200 years old. Something that happened on one day, as a self-seeking publicity stunt, is totally irrelevant in the bigger picture of things. WP:RECENT and WP:NOTNEWS clearly apply. John from Idegon (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2017[edit]

ADD TO NOTABLE PEOPLE -or- HISTORY: YouTuber Elijah Daniel was sworn in as mayor on August 30, 2017. After being sworn in, he released a heterosexual ban, using almost entirely the same wording as Donald Trump's Muslim ban. Within an hour, Daniel was impeached. NateSalsbu (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done See the previous four threads. Meters (talk) 22:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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