Talk:Hells Gate (British Columbia)

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Govt Blurb comments[edit]

Construction of the Canadian Northern Railway in 1914 blasted thousands of tons of rock into the river below the railroad grade which further constricted the river and damaged sockeye salmon runs for decades until fishways were constructed. Thirty years of work by dedicated scientists and several years' construction were required to repair man's damage. Today Hell's Gate fishways, built by a joint Canadian - United States Commission and completed in 1966, stand as monument to man's dedication and ingenuity.

Geez, which pamphlet did that come from??? The construction work never fully remediated the damage caused by the slide - runs never did recover; and I think it was early (the CNR was built in the zero-decade). Sounds like back-patting from somebody who thinks Fisheries knows what they're doing. There should be more details of this slide and its impact, and public domain photos of both the slide and also the fishways should be available somewhere; I'll check around.Skookum1 17:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


Should this article be moved to Hell's Gate, British Columbia ? Maybe I'm off, but I thought that's how it was spelled. - TheMightyQuill 03:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I've always spelled it that way, too, but the official spelling is without an apostrophe....I think maybe most common usage should apply, so the Hell's Gate Airtram page/brochure is a good place to start, plus any other tourist materials and maybe press mention. "Community" isn't what it once was, in fact I'm not sure anyone lives there anymore, other than a watchman at the airtram adn maybe someone down in the chips'n'kewpie doll concessoin at the bottom; within a mile or two there are, I think some rssidents - this is one of those "unincorporated settelements" where an "uninhabited locality" category might be more suitable, if there were one.Skookum1 (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


If that really is a picture of Hell's Gate, it's missing the little footbridge and the buildings on the west bank; I think it's taken from Hell's Gate, looking downstream; there is a concrete abutment on the right but there should be fish ladders visible.Skookum1 (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Air tram[edit]

a good PD shot of the airtram car would be nice to have, and a better written-out thing on the particulars of the air tram See Aerial tramways; I think the applicable category is Category:Aerial lifts. Once such a section, or a esparate article on theairtram is written, the airtram catgory hsould be added...Skookum1 (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It may have been the only aerial tramway descending to its destination in 1971, but now there are at least two little aerial tramways in Madeira serving the farmers living on a plain high above the sea to reach their farmlands on the shore (Commons:Aerial tramway, Special types). --AHert (talk) 09:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

The Apostrophe[edit]

User:Eye101 pointed out to me that the apostrophe isn't used in a lot of sources, and it also isn't the official usage per Victoria. Google results are fairly evenly split, with the apostrophe winning out in GBooks, without taking it on regular search. Maybe some of the students can comment on what they're seeing in their sources? The Interior (Talk) 03:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The BC Geographic Names database also lists it as "Hells Gate" [1] [2] maclean (talk) 16:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for following up on this. Where our team has left it so far is that we will each figure out what the most common usage in our sources are, and combine our results. So far, after two of us have decided, it is leaning towards no apostrophe. --Eye101 (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move, official[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Hells Gate (British Columbia) -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Hell's Gate, British ColumbiaHells Gate, British Columbia – A group of students in a History class at UBC has been editing this page. The majority of our academic sources have used the spelling without the apostrophe, as do government websites such as this one: "Hells Gate (canyon)". BC Geographical Names.  We therefore think it is appropriate, based on the policy WP:COMMONNAME to switch the existing page to one with spelling without the apostrophe. Eye101 (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment: actually for geographic features the format should be Hells Gate (British Columbia). -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 18:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Move to Hells Gate (British Columbia). Apostrophe used by airtram company and a few tourist websites, without apostrophe is official, used on maps, and used by scholarly sources. The Interior (Talk) 12:45, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Move. Seems to be the "official" spelling. InverseHypercube (talk) 03:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
  • I am unaware of naming conventions, so I'm open to it being moved to wherever is best. I was just looking at the apostrophe. If it's moved to a geographic feature page, should it at all mention the town at the same location? Should there be a separate page for the town? --Eye101 (talk) 23:54, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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New Name (maybe)[edit]

This seems to be mostly an article on salmon. Granted salmon as impacted by things that happened around Hells Gate, but mostly about salmon. I was interested to find out the average volume of water that flowed, some of the history (including Alex Frazer's trip down it), etc. Instead there was a little blurb about indigenous peoples (which yes, should be there), and then a whole lot about rock slides, salmon, and two asshat fisheries scientists who couldn't figure out that they were both right. Sigh. Maybe the salmon thing could be moved to a new page about Hells Gate and Salmon. Or just rename this page to 'Salmon at Hells Gate (British Columbia)'. Theshowmecanuck (talk) 00:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)