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Hentai Image removed?[edit]

Ummm.... I noticed this Image is not in the article anymore. Are we getting rid of the image after nearly 4 years of service? --(B)~(ー.ー)~(Z) (talk) 16:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


There is an user right now doing major changes unilaterally. After he is done, we can discuss all his changes and restore the image if that's the case. But since he removed the 'under construction' tag, maybe it's safe to discuss it now? pmt7ar (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
According to an edit that removed the image by ChrisGualtieri, "now this picture is irrelevant and unencyclopedic other then 'look at this dirty picture'. I'll try to obtain better images, but no image is better then this right now." Personally I would disagree and put it under media and potentially even on the Eroge article as well. I also hold my previous stance that an image is certainly better than no image and that anyone that want to see it replaced should put forth candidates to be discussed before axing the current one. -- Dront (talk) 23:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I haven't been active for two days on this page so I removed the tag for then. And I did restore the image, but at the 'origin of eroge' section in which it properly illustrates. I was trying to add images, but I had trouble with the form and reasoning. I got a picture of the original medical journals Tanaka wrote for, but I didn't get permission yet from the photographer. And it does not illustrate the main point, so I need to make a page for the article before I can use it here. I want at least 4-6 pictures for this article right now. One being a photo of Tanaka, one of the key individuals behind the normalization and professing hentai acts as banal. I'd like to include a cover of Lemon People or the earliest 'adult' ero manga we can find or the cover of the original English release of Bondage Fairies. The anime section being a screenshot of Lolita Anime or Urotsukidōji is also really notable and neither have coverage there. For the Eroge one, I really want a split to match the 'eroge for sex' to 'eroge for story'. My issue with the image is that it is not from an eroge, its just a hentai drawing. We do not even get text to go with it. Perhaps I'll get Kawata Shoujo screenshot as it is BY-NC-ND. Thanks for the input, I do not want to upset anyone with the image removal. So I will wait till I have a better replacement first. Though I was a bit annoyed by having the entire mobile phone window be replaced by the picture upon immediately clicking the article. While it is an adult topic and wikipedia is not censored, the principal of least astonishment applies, a picture that completely fills the screen is a bad choice no matter what it is. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Side note: That's your and your's phone problem, the image was a thumbnail and any thumbnail in the lede would look alike in mobile phones, in this or any other article; don't let it be a factor in deciding using images in the lede.pmt7ar (talk) 05:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Wasn't my phone, but least astonishment does not equal not censored. The previous article didn't even mention or discuss eroge, so if you wish, put it back at the top, but the current picture really is better placed where it is now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 11:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


Maybe OP should stop propositioning his pet image? Lol.

It is nice to see the image dropped lower than the top of the page after years. Sentakuban (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Yaoi and Yuri target-audiences?[edit]

How is it that Yaoi is presented as an exclusively female-oriented genre, while Yuri is presented as being aimed at heterosexual women as well as lesbians and straight men? Even if there's some straight women who like the Yuri genre, they're not the intended audience, or not any more than straight men being the audience of Yaoi. In fact, Yaoi attracts men as well as women, and a big part of those men are actually straight and not gay. (see the Wiki article on "Yaoi")

Child Pornography in hentai[edit]

Article makes no mention of child pornography in hentai, although I have seen many claims that it exists. In the US, people are apparently sentenced, at times, due to possessing anime depicting child porn. Looking through the archives, I found a user directing to this link: http://www.economist.com/node/15731382. The user was told it could not be included in the article because 'I have not seen child porn in anime' which seems like a greatly biased statement. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Agreed. There's been a lot of talk about it, e.g. [1] -- deerstop. 15:30, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Dream of the Fisherman's Wife[edit]

An editor deleted this image (along with a paragraph of related material) with an edit summary of

This has been discussed several times in the talkpage's history. The image was found quite a few times not to belong on the article.

I don't recall that, and a search through the the archives only shows me a couple of references to the image, and those are in passing when talking about something else.

I don't have much an opinion on this either way, but the image has been in in the article for a while and since the edit summary seems not to be accurate, I rolled this back, subject to someone point out where this image has been discussed and found to not belong, or absent that a cogent argument to that effect. Herostratus (talk) 11:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Huh; my lurking must be betraying me. My apologies. I swore it was discussed a few times, with no one contesting the argument that since it wasn't anime, it really had no place in the article (only being included because it happened to be Japanese). We could use this as a conduit for that discussion, perhaps. --Arise again, Arisedrew! (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
WOW... Going way back unexpectedly
Image first considered to be deleted here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hentai/Archive_2#IMAGE

No one retorted that anon's complaint. It was deleted for some time.
Randomly readded later.
After a while, another points out it is impertinent to hentai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hentai/Archive_2#Image_doesn.27t_even_really_demonstrate_hentai
Included in massive discussion about impertinent images here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hentai/Archive_2#Image_is_too_explicit

This seems to be a case of "at first glance, it appears to be pertinent to hentai, so no one really gives it thought." With that, the image has been on the article for quite sometime (despite repeatedly being deleted well before our time's on Wikipedia). Those repeated deletions seem to come when someone gives it a little more thought. It's then readded when someone who's seen the article before but didn't check the talkpage thought "oh, that must have been a mistake" - and the last time that happened seems to be years ago. Indeed, they were not quite as thoughtful as you bringing this up on the talkpage (and even if we conclude the image not to belong here, it wouldn't surprise me if it just pops back up again on the page later by someone with said thought). I suppose I'm about four years late to point it out, but indeed, I am in agreement with the few that have given it a little consideration in the past: it's not germane to the article as a watercolor image that happens to be Japanese and have tentacle erotica (which is erroneously over-associated with hentai). Perhaps a mention suffices, but I don't think the image itself belongs here. --Arise again, Arisedrew! (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
OK. What you say makes sense. I guess the counterargument would be "here's some of the backstory of Hentai... " You know, like for such-and-such architecture style or whatever we might have "Here's a picture of building X, it's not in the style of such-and-such architecture but you can see how it people who makde such-and-such architecture a century later maybe drew some inspiration from this sort of thing" or whatever. Whether there's anything to this I don't know... why did Hentai arise in Japan and not France? Does the cultural attitude exemplified by the fact that Dream of the Fisherman's Wife is Japanese (and it's hard to imaging something like that being made in France at that time) mean much of anything? Does Dream of the Fisherman's Wife exemplify the sort of thing that at least a few Japanese artists were drawing (and that may have continued down through the years to find a later expression in Hentai) or is it just a one-off weird picture?
Not knowing the answers to these question I'm not able to judge whether or not the picture belongs. Herostratus (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
After i read the words from Arisedrew i had more or less the same questions in mind. But at first i looked up the work named The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife, which was drawn by the well known artist Hokusai. Most of his works are related to the genre Ukiyo-e. Like many other artists in the Meiji era he also published Shunga artworks, and this image is of them. But it is also evident that shunga artworks were an inspiration for modern hentai. The article Shunga: Japan’s Ancient Erotica (including sources) gives a good overview about this relation.
Overall i see a close relationship between hentai and this artwork. But if it has to be this particular artwork or another shunga is a different question.
Facts in favor of this image are:
  • Well known, sourced artwork
  • Shows close relationship to the hentai genre Tentacle erotica
  • Sexually explicit
Facts against this image are:
  • Might favor the tentacle cliché of hentai (like if any hentai has something to do with tentacles)
  • Might be considered bestiality
  • Sexually explicit
--/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ 署名の宣言 21:59, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2016[edit]

OH GOD THE PICTURE IS FUGLY can i change it to something else? Swagedit4u (talk) 23:53, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. clpo13(talk) 23:56, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
For instance, state which picture you want changed and why, keeping in mind that Wikipedia isn't censored. clpo13(talk) 23:57, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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Not sure if I'm writing this in the right place but oh well, let's try. The image "File:Futanari.png" isn't properly showing in the Classification section. I can't edit the page so I would like to request an edit to fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.2.136.28 (talk) 20:10, 19 July 2016 (UTC)