Talk:Hero of Alexandria

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Requested move[edit]

With so little argumentation, it's difficult to assess this request. I do note, however, that "Hero of Alexandria" is about twice as common on the Internet as "Heron of Alexandria". It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. One might consider moving Heron's formula to "Hero's formula" if consistency is desired. --Stemonitis 13:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, there was no objection to it; I thought that constituted consensus. "Heron's formula" is twenty times as common as "Hero's formula"; I'd never seen anything but "Heron's formula". Since he is principally known for this, I feel it should dictate the preference. The way, the truth, and the light 14:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Stemonitis, did you remember to remove Wikipedia and its mirrors from your search? Because when I did it I got roughly equal results, and the same when I restricted it to English-only results. I didn't comment because I had no objection, and the ghits were roughly equal. Mak (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Hero is the standard English of his name, not Heron, and regardless of how mathematicians like to refer to his formula. Eponymous-Archon (talk) 02:39, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

"Standard"? By what criterion? Since English, unlike many languages, does not have some sort of official academy to decree what is standard, the only criterion is usage and acceptance. Since both are equally accepted, and both are commonly used, on what basis can one regard one as more "standard" than the other? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Standard by usage, claims to the contrary notwithstanding. Plato is not Platon, and Heron is nowhere near as common as Hero, and Heron is not commonly used outside of mathematical circles, it seems. Google ngrams shows a varying ratio always and decisively in favor of Hero. The traditional "rule" is to latinize Greek names, though there is always some variation is usage, esp. in modern authors who are more likely to try to leave the names unlatinized. Eponymous-Archon (talk) 03:00, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Hero's Text Preserved by the Arabs?[edit]

The third paragraph reinforces the commonly held belief (one the that Internet helps foster) that the "Arabs" "preserved" ancient science, mathematics and philosophy when the sad fact is that the majority of it is long lost. The majority of the extant texts of Hero are in fact preserved in Greek.

Imaginary Numbers[edit]

It would seem to me that Hero would have described Irrational numbers (for example, square root of 2), not imaginary numbers (square root of negative one). I don't have the referenced source, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It is certainly imaginary numbers that are referred to in the source, not irrational numbers. However, the statement in the Wikipedia article is a complete misreading of the source. The Wikipedia article said "The imaginary number, or imaginary unit, is also noted to have been first observed by Hero", but the whole point of the relevant passage in the source is that Hero failed to observe the occurrence of the square root of a negative number. I have therefore removed the statement from the article. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I think some mention of it it is warranted. A good example is to look at the language used in Timeline of algebra: "Heron of Alexandria, the earliest fleeting reference to square roots of negative numbers." (talk) 13:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested move June 2014[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Calidum Talk To Me 04:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hero of AlexandriaHeron of Alexandria – The original Greek name is: Ήρων, i.e. with an "n" at the end and it is Ήρων, from Alexandria the city and has nothing to do with Alexander... See at:Ήρων. Futuristas (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Agree. Most modern sources use the correct spelling, but there are many older sources that use Hero. Looking to the future, Heron should be the primary target for WP. Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Disagree. We don't "look toward the future", we reflect the common nomenclature. ----jpgordon::==( o ) 17:02, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
  • On the face of it oppose I'd like to see nom provide a GBooks curve for last 30 years. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Per WP:COMMONNAME, Hero is still most prevalent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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coin operated device[edit]

Does anyone know if the holywater dispenser was given a name?Specially a latin name?--Jondel (talk) 00:48, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Title and page don't match up[edit]

The title uses "Hero" but the rest of the page uses "Heron". They need to agree on one of them. Sir Cumference π 07:44, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Consensus is still to use Hero (see above) but people keep changing it. Yes it should agree.Charles (talk) 09:40, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm reverting the article to match the page title. Anyone who wants to change the text needs to start a discussion on renaming the page first. The text needs to match the title.--Srleffler (talk) 02:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I'd like to point out that the reason why he is called Hero in English rather than Heron despite the original Greek spelling being Ἥρων is that Hero is the Latin version of his name, and English prefers Latinate versions of Greek names (pronounced in an Anglicised manner) per long-standing tradition – that's also why we have Plato and Democritus rather than Platon or Demokritos as in German. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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