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Disambiguation[edit]

This talk page was, like the Hierapolis article itself, redirected to Mabug. I removed the redirect to that eastern "twin" that is known under many names in order to occupy this name here by the better known Hierapolis on top of the Pamukkale hot springs. Please provide content. --Matthead 15:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Hierapolis I know is no where near the Euphrates. It's in the Meander river valley, just up slope from Pamukkale, waaay over on the western edge of the Anatolian plateau. Is there some conflation going on here? --Fulminouscherub 00:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree -- this is not the same spa-resort Hierapolis that is part of the Pamukkale World Heritage Site near Denizli. -- CMP, 11 Feb 06

Images from Hierapolis[edit]

My Internet side http://olafzesewitz.de/gallery/tuerkei/pamukkale/ can supply meaningful supplementing pictorial material to the article. The pictorial material published there by me is not subject to restrictions of use in this format. The decision over screen selection, Upload and/or mounting an externally link on my web page I would like to leave to the authors of the article. --ozes

Can you please put an info on your website indicating that/whether you are allowing the images to be used on Wikipedia? Please also indicate what for what purposes and how/when we can use them. Are they all photos taken by you? Thanks denizTC 22:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

We sometimes get away with no references(footnotes) when we have a stub article. Thanks to a recent editor, this article has matured tremendously. It is unlikely that we can progress further with credibility without some footnotes. Since you are probably not doing this all from memory  :), could you use whatever you are looking at to use as a footnote (reference)? Thanks. Student7 16:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't finished yet with this article. But I'll see what I can do. However, most of the information mentioned in the article can be found when checking the references. JoJan 16:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all your improvements. The problem is, once started, future editors can't really correlate a single external reference, often a book, to any particular line to verify it. But it's become a much more readable article with your additions. Student7 20:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Again, your improvements are astonishing! But again, this article is very weak on footnotes. I figure a good article "should" have about 3 or 4 per previewed page. It's now has just over one.
Haven't checked the main article on Apollo, but do they have your information tying in local gods to the Greek mythology? Interesting. Thanks. Student7 13:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Apollo article mentions it just as in a aside. Anyway, it has always been the custom to incorporate local deities and local religious customs into the new religion, e.g. early Christianity did this also with Christmas. JoJan 14:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apollo[edit]

Jacob Burckhardt claims that when the statue of Apollo was processed annually at Hierapolis, the statue "decided" which direction to go. An interesting twist. Would rather find a more recent online reference, but can't. Student7 20:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You probably confuse Hierapolis with Hierapolis Bambyce, an ancient town in Syria, where there was a xoanon of Apollo. Such a (wooden ?) figure could move its hands and thus give directions. See at Hierapolis and at De Dea Syria JoJan 15:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance of legends[edit]

What relevance do the legends in the Legends section have to the city? It seems like somebody took some random legends and added them to the article without including any relevance to the city? Please add material to this section that shows how these legends relate to the city or I will consider removing them. Dr. Morbius (talk) 19:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"GRECO-ROMAN" city[edit]

There is no such thing as a 'Greco-Roman' city.

Hierapolis is a Greek city period; that continues to be inhabited during the Roman period. From Phrygian (non-clasical) Greek to Ionian Greek, mostly likely as a transition that resulted from 'Hellenization' (also a misleading term). The Romans usually changed the name or site development of a city that they 're-founded' or newly settled. The constant settlement and use of this city is historically apparent. The term Greco-Roman is excessively used in many contexts as a derisive means of minimizing and dismissing the importance of the direct and specific Hellenic history of any subject matter in question where the term is inappropriately used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.13.10 (talk) 08:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The town was destroyed by earthquakes and rebuilt from the ground up with imperial funds, imperial architects, and imperial standard planning. If we're doing things tout-suite, the later city was Roman period. But why be so fussy? — LlywelynII 04:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Structures/archaeology[edit]

As someone has noted, there is a lot of overlap between the structure and archaeology sections. I think the reason for that is because this is an archaeological site and so all the structures would fit under that category as well. I was about to embark on combining those sections but then thought I should post this to see if there's any objection. lawgeek 01:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kunderhill (talk • contribs)

WP:ERA & ENGVAR[edit]

This page was established with AD/BC & (first inconsistent and then finally) British English and these should be maintained consistently. Cheers. — LlywelynII 02:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

Did what I could for most of the article. The museum section still needs some combing through, since it is mostly unsourced and currently reads like it was written by the local tourism board ("most beautiful", "important", etc.), and the "archeology" section needs to be combined with the identical subject matter already dealt with in "significant structures" instead of duplicating everything (what's up with that? bad merge?). — LlywelynII 04:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I moved up archeology and merged it with "significant structures." I think it is okay except I got confused in the Necropolis sections. Not sure that they can't be shortened or improved. Well, it all can be improved! But less sure of accuracy of Necropolis subsections. Student7 (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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