Talk:High Court judge (England and Wales)

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Untitled[edit]

How should one address a retired High Court Judge? Do they retain the style "The Hon."?

Name[edit]

This should probably be at High Court judge - currently a redirect. —Wh o uk (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I would agree. See WP:NAME. Shadow007 00:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it (I was also creator of the redirect). Tim! 17:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"High Court Judge" is the correct capitalisation. Proteus (Talk) 13:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you should provide a reference/citation/link/newspaper cutting/pre-school drawing that supports that before unilaterally moving. Shadow007 01:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You mean like you did before supporting the previous incorrect move? See here, for example. Proteus (Talk) 08:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And if you actually read that page you will notice that under "Office/Position" it says "High Court judge". Therefore, the page should have remained High Court judge as per the link you have provided and as per Wikipedia naming conventions. Shadow007 11:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So it's inconsistent usage. Well done. Now try to justify the move of the page from its original (perfectly correct) location. (Oh, and randomly quoting naming conventions without pointing out which part you mean is rather stupid.) Proteus (Talk) 12:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was not pointing out inconsistent usage. I was pointing out that the page you linked to clearly stated that the name of the office is "High Court judge". The page was moved in line with naming conventions and that move has been further justified by the link you yourself posted. Further, this link confirms the name of the office as "High Court judge". Shadow007 14:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It should also be pointed out that "Judge" is capitalised in official contexts (like the daily Cause Lists of the RCJ), on the websites of HM Courts Service and the Courts Service of Northern Ireland, and in the London Gazette. Proteus (Talk) 13:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Choice of style[edit]

Are there more detailed rules about the use of first names in judicial styles? For instance, it seems that if there is a Bloggs LJ then a new High Court judge can't be Bloggs J, and would have to be Joseph Bloggs J (presumably to avoid the risk of two identically titled judges were the junior one to be promoted, or to avoid the need for the junior judge to insert his first name on promotion), and that if there is a Robert Bloggs J (but no other Bloggs judges) then equally a new High Court judge would have to be Joseph Bloggs J (presumably to avoid the appearance that the new judge was senior to the old judge). However, it appears that if there is a Robert Bloggs LJ then a new High Court judge can be Bloggs J (for instance, the new Baker J is styled as such despite the existence of Scott Baker LJ, and despite the risk that if promoted he would presumably become Baker LJ). Is this sort of thing actually written down somewhere, or is it all just custom and practice? (Also, does anyone know why Wyn Williams J is not simply Williams J? Was there a previous Williams J who has since retired?) Proteus (Talk) 18:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Link[edit]

The "Judiciary of England and Wales" link returns a 404 error.

Basesurge (talk) 12:43, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of High Court judges[edit]

The article presently has this to say about removal: "High Court judges, as with all judges in England and Wales, hold office during good behaviour; this is laid down in the Bill of Rights 1689. A High Court judge can only be removed by the Queen upon an Address of both Houses of Parliament." This is unsourced and it is not clear what is meant by "address" does the sovereign just have to mention it in their speech given at the state opening, and the judge is sacked, or what? When was the last instance of a High Court judge being removed from office? 77.99.26.23 (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Page name[edit]

I just want to point out that the more formal name, thus the equivalent to Lord Justice of Appeal or Justice of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, is Justice of the High Court. This is the name of the office as set out in statute (indeed, it was created in Supreme Court of Judicature Act 1873) and in the London Gazette. We could use Court of Appeal judge or Supreme Court judge, but we don't. (I wanted to include a Scottish alternative there, but honestly Senator of the College of Justice saves us from confusion.) I'm not insisting on or pushing anything, but I thought I'd invite comment since this seems to be an anomaly. -Rrius (talk) 11:18, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 7 July 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:03, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

High Court judge (England and Wales) → Justice of the High Court – New title is proper name of the subject — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 10:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 10:34, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose. "High Court judge" is far more common, and both terms are used in legislation. Technically, "Justice of the High Court" is a style for the puisne judges, not their "proper name". The official judiciary website uses "High Court judge". Having "England and Wales" in the title is helpful to disambiguate; even though "Justice of the High Court" isn't an existing page, it isn't immediately clear which country it refers to. jamacfarlane (talk) 11:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The current title is by far the commonest name for these judges. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. By my count, there are at least thirty countries that have a "High Court". A substantial number of those have "Justice of the High Court" as a possible title for occupants of these courts. bd2412 T 13:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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