Talk:Hijra (South Asia)

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Lack of Neutrality[edit]

The social status and economic circumstances section is not neutral. There are no citations, however the article states that hijras aggressively panhandle and expose themselves to those who do not donate, and appear uninvited to perform at birth ceremonies and will curse the baby if they are not appropriately recompensed. These statements, especially without citations, appear to me to be offensive and biased and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.229.178.141 (talk) 12:38, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I do not fully understand your complaint.
You may be suggesting that the statements are true, but that they are poorly written and the facts need to be presented in another way.
Or you may be questioning the veracity of the statements, without a complaint to the neutrality of the writing.
Or you may be doing both of these.
I mean this in the nicest way possible but the summary you have written describes the popular perception of hijras and is to me good information. Something which your summary is missing is the concept that people in general want these things to happen. I have no citations for this just now so there is a verification problem but I cannot support your claim of of a violation of WP:NPOV without more explanation from you. Thoughts? Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
No action has been taken on this matter since the original complaint was made, despite recent and important edits to the page. I have removed the following section from the page.
"Hijras are often encountered on streets, trains, and other public places demanding money from people. If refused, the hijra may attempt to embarrass the man into giving money, using obscene gestures, profane language, and even sexual advances.[citation needed] In India for example, threatening to expose their private parts in front of the man if he does not donate something.
Denied legal and social justice, hijras take on a magical persona that inspires fear and sometimes respect from mainstream society. Hijras perform religious ceremonies at weddings and at the birth of male babies, involving music, singing, and sexually suggestive dancing. These are intended to bring good luck and fertility. Although hijras are most often uninvited, the host usually pays the hijras a fee. Many fear the hijras' curse if they are not appeased, bringing bad luck or infertility, but for the fee they receive, they can bless goodwill and fortune on to the newly born. Hijras are said to be able to do this because, since they do not engage in sexual activities, they accumulate their sexual energy which they can use to either bestow a boon or a bane.
Hijras can also come as an invitee to one's home, and their wages can be very high for the services they perform. Supposedly, they can give insight into future events as well bestow blessings for health. Hijras that perform these services can make a very good living if they work for the upper classes.
Please do not restore this section until the information included therein can be verified by citation. Moreover, the argument for NPOV seems very clear to this editor; we would not welcome a lengthy discussion on the main Transgender page about how trans* people might engage in obscene gestures and sexual advances, because to focus on such a point would be to imply this is a key part of trans* identity. As written, this section reduces hijras to a set of behaviors which come from no reliable source; even if true, such degrading talk has no place in an encyclopedia. 68.6.172.39 (talk) 05:14, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Page Merge: Muslim Hijras in South Asia[edit]

The page Muslim Hijras in South Asia should be merged here with Hijra (South Asia) as it already contain a related section to describe association of Hijra community with particular religion. Any way I had put a request of merger on top of the article page for further discussion.--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:35, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Having two articles is a form of content forkery. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 01:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. Uncontested merge. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 00:31, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
I support this merge having happened. Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Title chang[edit]

Hijra is the Hindi word describing transgendered.It is not the word used in all languages. Can we change the title to transgendered or gay since this is an English article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.224.225 (talk) 18:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

There already are articles for gay and transgender. This article is about the hijra culture in South Asia. What do you think of this article? Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
The recent changes in Bangladesh underscore the value of having a specific Hijra article. Hijra will be used in English in Bangladesh, not a translation to some other English word. Hennings.iheid (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Wording change[edit]

"The term more commonly advocated by social workers and transgender community members themselves is 'khwaaja sira' (Urdu: خواجه سرا‎)..."

This is written right in the opening to the article. If this is the term advocated by social workers and the community, why is Wikipedia going against those wishes? It seems much more respectful to the subjects for the article to be labelled Khwaaja Sira. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.33.175 (talk) 22:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)