Talk:Himyarite Kingdom

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This contribution is out of touch with the main epigraphic, historic and archaeological sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

How does such an article get into Wikipedia? - so out of step with the literature and largely without documentation. I.e. is it a kingdom or just a conferderation? Also contains religious polemic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyule (talkcontribs) 09:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

According to A Historical Atlas of the Jewish People, edited by Eli Barnavi:

"Some Christians regard this [anti-Christian warfare] as part of a Jewish attempt to dominate the world. Yet the kingdom was not Jewish, and its monotheism was but an expression of Himyarite independence."

This same book also mentions that the war was fought in the name of "The Merciful One", which suggests to me that Himyar monotheism was more proto-Islamic then Jewish. Can anyone out there back some of this up with a non-POV source?

The deity named in Christian and Judaising/Jewish Texts is Rachmana/n, the merciful. Summary: C. Robin in the periodical Arabia 1, 2004. Himyarite monotheism was Christian and Jewish whereby the nature of the latter is a question of definition since the Jews in Himyarite Arabia appear unaware of the Talmud. Basic attributes are also lacking. p.y.

I'm taking out "if he was not simply Judaising" because the sentence is nonsensical.--Dr.Worm 03:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


Where do those conquest dates come from? I'm researching the Aksumite king GDRT right now, and during his reign (c. 200-230), Himyar, Saba, Qataban, and Hadramaut were all independent states (he was allied with all of the others against Himyar at one point), though Hadramaut was conquered by Saba.
ዮም (Yom) | contribsTalk 06:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thats a good question. I have had the same problem, look here [1]. Do you have good books? or are you searching from Internet? It seems to me that the archeologist don't have themselves clue about the dates. Jidan 07:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Structuring and "westernization"[edit]

As it seems the article was heavily edited on the 27th january 2008. The result was a loss of connections to other articles on the subject and other languages. I dont think this was done on purpose and have thus reconstructed some of the lost information and links. All in all the article seemed to have a structure that had a more islamic approach to history and a very personal style. As an article in the english language WP I have restructured it more to western style. Yet I have tried to keep the information, such as references to the Koran, and do not think it a good idea to simply delete things. The section of the tribal history may seem irritating for western eyes to be part of the history of a kingdom, rather expecting lists of kings and battles, yet for others it may be a very important aspect of history. I strongly recommend to keep this information (somewhere). I have left some of the new paragraphs untouched and have not checked the sources. Please would someone knowledgeble look at the article and edit it with care. --T.woelk (talk) 12:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The section on history has no cohesion with Old South Arabian sources. The names, for example are not standard transliteration of Sabaean ones (Abu-Kariba, Zifr, Redan). Unimportant episodes take the place of missing real ones. Not well written. The dating 115 B.C. until 300 A.D. does not correspond to the accepted initial date of the Himyarite calendar in 110 B.C. (F. de Blois, The date of the "martyrs of Nagran", Arabian Archaeology and Epigraphy 1, 1980, 110-128). The article is on Himyar, but the erratic King list contains most Sabaean ones (see Bafaqih, L'Unification du yemen antique. La lutte entre Saba, Himyart et la Hadramaut du 1er au IIIeme siecle de l'ere chrétienne (Paris 1990). The article is about Himyar, but shows mostly Sabaean art. The characteristic Raydan series of Himyaritic coins are not even shown. Someone radically reworked the text and emasculated it. Given the spontaneous nature of the endless editing, I see no reason (as excavator of Zafar) to add what will not surviv the next editing. Pyule (talk) 14:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The coin which is reproduced is probably not Himyarite. It is probably Sabaean to judge from the iconography. PYule —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Himyarite language[edit]

The section Language mentions a Semitic, but non-Sayhadic Himyarite language – which, unlike the Sayhadic languages, survived until the 10th century. That such a language really existed is confirmed by the article Himjarische Sprache in the German Wikipedia. However, Himyarite language simply redirects to Sabaean language. The reason is that the Himyarites usually wrote in Sabaean, not their native language. The reader who does not know this is bound to be puzzled by the redirect. We clearly need an article on the native Himyarite language to replace the redirect. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll translate the German article.--Schreiber91 (talk) 17:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Who is the guy in the photo?[edit]

This page has a photo captioned ”Emir Mubarak ibn Saleh al-Duwaily Al-Awlaki”. Who is he? He is not mentioned elsewhere on the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, i'm removing him.GreyShark (dibra) 18:04, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Removed by a drive-by remover of uncited material[edit]

This period witnessed a lot of disorder and turmoil. The great many foreign and civil wars cost the people of the Yemen their independence.[citation needed] During this era, the Aksumites invaded Tihāmah and Najrān for the first time in the year 340,[citation needed] making use of the constant intra-tribal conflict of Hamdan and Ḥimyar. The Aksumite occupation of Tihāmah and Najrān lasted until 378,[citation needed] whereafter Yemen expelled the Aksumites.[citation needed] After this the Ma'rib Dam's last great flood (450 or 451) weakened Ḥimyar further and led to its collapse.[citation needed]

Johnbod (talk) 20:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

There's a big mistake here, They did not convert to Judaism[edit]

They did not convert to Judaism. They only supported the Jews. They adored the Jews, and believed in the God of the Jews, but they did not observe the Sabbath and did not observe the commandments of the Torah. Therefore, they turned to God as "the God of the Jews" because they did not see themselves as Jews.