Talk:Hindi

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Former good article nominee Hindi was a Language and literature good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
September 18, 2006 Good article nominee Not listed


ENGLISH FOR A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS...TIME HAS LONG PAST So, Hindi is the official language of India, and documents should use the Hindi language.--213.60.237.52 (talk) 17:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

"Indo-Germanic"[edit]

Indo-Germanic is an obsolete term, common a century ago, and once favoured by German scholars in the form indogermanisch. It disappeared from common use decades ago. Koro Neil (talk) 04:07, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Removal of dialects[edit]

IMO we should list the "languages" that some linguists list as dialects. E.g. Braj and Awadhi are mutually intelligible to a degree with Hindi. I'll do some changes when I'm on a computer. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 00:32, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2017[edit]

196.207.125.2 (talk) 14:34, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Grammar section[edit]

I'm removing this since all of this is covered in Hindustani grammar. Perhaps Sanskritised constructions deserve a mention here, since they are specific to MSH and not Urdu. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 21:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2017[edit]

Hi. Please change the map in the infobox to this one. This image is better representative of where Hindi is the official language while the one currently used in the infobox only shows the natively spoken range. Standard Hindi is the official language in Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Bihar, Rajasthan, Jharkhand, Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh states but the map doesn't show that. 2400:6180:100:D0:0:0:3A1:E001 (talk) 20:55, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not going to answer the edit request (I'll leave it to somebody else) because it is a content issue (rather than simply fixing a mistake) and I have an opinion about it. I oppose this suggested change. "Official language" status is a political consideration; where it is natively spoken is of more interest from a linguistic/sociological/academic (i.e. "encyclopedic") perspective. I think the current map is better.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 21:51, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your response William Thweatt. I requested this because other language articles (Urdu, French, Russian, Indonesian etc.) almost always show a map of countries/regions where it is the official language and the native region is in the "Native to" section of the infobox. I believe the current map doesn't do it justice since Hindi is the lingua franca of the Hindi Belt and is the medium of instruction in all of those states. How about we have two images? One that shows the native range and one that shows the states where it is official. A second map (and capition) can be added using |map2 and |mapcaption2. I feel this would be much more accurate. Thanks. 2400:6180:100:D0:0:0:3A1:E001 (talk) 22:41, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Not done for now: The proposed map is not verifiable to the sources given. The area in dark gray in the existing map corresponds closely to the alternative map's source labeled as the area where the "Indic Branch of the Indo-European language family" is spoken. The available sources do not specify the official status of the Hindi language in that area. If a better source and alternative map are found, then they can be added as a map2. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment I definitely won't override Eggishorn and William Thweatt, but I think the proposed map would be an improvement. The current one is rather strange, and is more of a "where did Hindi originate" map, not a map of where it is currently spoken as the main language. A comparison would be a map of English having only England (or even only SE England) in red with the rest of the UK, the US, Canada, Australia etc. in grey. Again, I won't make the change but I think it merits a discussion. Jeppiz (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The current map does seem a bit on the odd side. It appears to be for Hindustani rather than Hindi, and focusing only on the region where it (Hindustani) developed. Perhaps it is a leftover from the Standard Hindi/Hindi days. @Kwamikagami:.--regentspark (comment) 15:54, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
    • @RegentsPark: It's the Khariboli heartland, so it's where Hindustani, Modern Standard Urdu, and Modern Standard Hindi all developed from. It's definitely too confined though. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 01:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Neither map is of particular use here, the one included is very dated and is focused on the development of Western Hindi, it's clearly not a representation of the 260m native population for the language. The proposed map on the other hand is not for this article but Hindustani language. —SpacemanSpiff 16:09, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
    • @SpacemanSpiff: No, that map doesn't include any Urdu speaking regions, it can't be used for the Hindustani article. And what do you mean by "Western Hindi"? There are other dialects of Western Hindi besides Khari Boli, the basis of Modern Standard Hindi (the topic of this article). IMO the current map is far too restrictive and this suggested map is more accurate. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 01:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

As it would seem that we all agree that the current map is inaccurate, and very much understate the extent of Hindi as a first language, I am removing it. Not replacing it with any other map yet, as there does not seem to be a consensus on which new map we should use. Jeppiz (talk) 18:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and boldly added File:Indian-languages-map.jpg as Map and File:Language region maps of India.svg as Map2, which are probably more likely to be what is needed according to the original edit request. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:00, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
@Eggishorn: Sorry, I undid your edit. Now the maps use too broad a definition of Hindi, subsuming Rajasthani, Chhattisgarhi, all the lects in Uttar Pradesh, etc. I think it's best to leave it mapless for now. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 22:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
I really like this map, which shows the broad and narrow definitions of Hindi/Hindustani. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 22:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
That's where this discussion started. It didn't seem like it showed what the IP editor was asking before and still doesn't now. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:05, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
@Aryamanarora: I'm the one that originally made the edit request. (My IP keeps changing) I'd say that the second map Eggishorn added wasn't that bad but the caption was definitely wrong. I think it is important we have at least one map showing where Standard Hindi is the official language although it may not accurately represent the native/historical range. Maybe we should switch the caption used on File:Language region maps of India.svg from "States and union territories of India by the most commonly spoken first language" to something like "States and union territories of India by the most commonly spoken official language"? Any ideas? 2400:6180:100:D0:0:0:1521:F001 (talk) 05:47, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
@2400:6180:100:D0:0:0:1521:F001: The fact is though, in Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Bihar, Jharkhand, etc. people don't speak Modern Standard Hindi (MSH hereon). They speak (emphasis on speak) a regional Hindi belt language, like Rajasthani, Chhattisgarhi, Bihari. I think if we intend to treat MSH in this article we should have a dark-shaded region in Delhi and some parts of Uttar Pradesh and Haryana as the MSH heartland, and a lighter shade throughout the regions where MSH is the prestige dialect but may not actually be spoken that much. Aryamanaroratalk, contribs 22:46, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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