Talk:Hip dysplasia (canine)

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Looking this up for human Atatomy & Physiology class. As it also applies to humans, the dog references seem... odd.

Actually canine hip dysplasia is more common than human dysplasia.

It doesn't matter if it's more common in dogs. This article should be renamed Canine hip dysplasia and Hip dysplasia should be about humans. The condition is relatively common in Japan for women. Macgruder 08:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why. On a google search of hip dysplasia, the first 16 hits are about the canine disease. It's a moot point anyway, as there is no article on the human form. --Joelmills 17:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Removal of recent edit[edit]

I removed the following statement recently added to the article:

Vitamin C and vitamin E, with or without selenium, has been observed to consistently reduce and even relieve lameness from hip dysplasia within a few days.

As far as I know this is not true. Of course vitamins are essential in healing damaged tissue, but I don't think it is quite to that extent. A reference would be helpful. --Joelmills 21:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

These are antioxidants, and will reduce free radicals. Whilst they can help generally in any bodily repair issue, I'm not aware that they can reverse macro-scale degenrative conditions in the way suggested. I second its removal pending reliable medical source that they are specifically effecatious rather than "just folklore".
Not standard treatment for CHD, would need sources to show it was more than just "general good advice to watch antioxidant nutrition in general" FT2 (Talk | email) 19:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Separate articles[edit]

I'm having problems distinguishing between text/information that applies to humans and text that applies to other animals. I suggest separating the species. Abstract1977 12:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe the only part of the article that applies to humans is a little bit in the intro and a five line subsection entitiled Hip dysplasia in humans. That part of the article could be made its own article, but it would be very short, obviously. My opinion would be to leave it as it is. --Joelmills 00:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. It would be much easier if there were separate articles. As it is now, one can't really tell if a section refers to humans or dogs until phrases like, "the dog" or "the person" are reached.

Also, why is there not a better, more thorough article on this condition in humans. 4/1000 births is not exceedingly rare, after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Am in agreement. There should be seperate articles. Humans and dogs are built different so while dysplasia might be similar in both, it affects the body differently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamrck51 (talkcontribs) 18:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Wild dogs[edit]

This article states that hip dysplasia is common in dogs: does this occur (or is reasonably common) in wild dogs like wolves and coyotes? I imagine that such afflicted would wind up dead fairly fast in the wild, but evidence could probably be gotten anyway, I imagine, from remains and zoos and the like. PolarisSLBM 03:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Interesting question. I imagine it would be fairly rare due to it being inherited and therefore selected against naturally (ie those wolves would either not survive to mate or have more difficulty doing so). I did find an article on PubMed PMID 6908989, "Hip dysplasia in a timber wolf". No abstract, but I might actually have a copy at work if you're interested. I'll probably try to find it anyway, as it might make an interesting addition to the article. --Joelmills 04:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
No luck, unfortunately. We don't have that issue. --Joelmills 19:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that HD is quite uncommon in wild canids - it's most common in specific dog breeds where there's been selection for specific features that predispose them to it. For example, breeding for a particular slope to the hips in the GSD in the past has led to a relatively high incidence of HD in the breed today. (I'm going off memory here, though, so I might be completely wrong.) Zetawoof(ζ) 20:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Comparative X-Ray[edit]

I appreciate the presence of the x-ray showing dysplastic hips. However, I wonder if it might be possible to show, for comparative purposes, an x-ray of a similar dog that does not have hip dysplasia. That would help the non-specialist better understand what looks "normal" and what does not. Many thanks. 02:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a good idea, I'll work on that. --Joelmills 00:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Done. --Joelmills 02:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Need X-ray of a normal an dysplasic hip. I only see a normal X-ray in the current article. (talk) 10:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Very good article for layperson[edit]

We have just discovered one of our dogs might have hip dysplasia. This article covered many aspects we need to know. Had only heard of it in reference to dogs, did not know humans and other animals had a predisposition to have it. Thank you, and I vote to leave article as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flopsy1 (talkcontribs) 19:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, since it was your dog that had the dysplasia and not your daughter, it's not surprising that this article fit your need. All people who want to have a separate page for the human condition are asking for, is a place for thorough information on human hip dysplasia to go. There is a lot on the pathology, treatment options and research directions that could go there that has little or nothing to do with pets. That would in no way mean to diminish the present article. Imagine the article on leukemia was centered around feline leukemia. Just because a lot of dogs are born (bred) with it doesn't mean that humans don't deserve a page of their own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Humans certainly do deserve a page of their own. Somebody should write it, and the current page can be moved to Canine hip dysplasia. I know I've argued against that in the past, but I've changed my mind. It shouldn't be moved, however, until that page on humans exists. --Joelmills (talk) 02:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

New page for humans[edit]

I started a page for humans and will work on putting more stuff and references on in as my time permits. Plse. help if you have any info that should go there. Also if you are computer savvy enough to make a "disambiguation" page, plse. do so! I'd love to be able to put X-rays there if s.o. would have human ones. I'll leave this page as it is. Maybe it could be "cleaned up" later on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa4edit (talkcontribs) 07:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Dog bed[edit]

Having had a Shih-tzu with this condition, I can say that the most important element was the use of a soft bed for my dog to sleep on. He would always sleep in his little bed and got along very well. The vet showed us the X-Rays but only talked about surgery. The bed was never mentioned. For all those babies out there that are in pain, I recommend getting a nice soft bed first. You will see a great improvement. Sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious. (talk) 03:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Richard Pitcairn - reputable source?[edit]

"In dogs, the problem almost always appears by the time the dog is 18 months old. Richard Pitcairn theorizes that the hips of young dogs are weakened by heavy vaccination.[4] "

Shouldn't this go into the "Vaccination controversy" or "Animal homeopathy" article instead of here? Benvenuto (talk) 08:50, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed: let's keep pseudoscience out of science articles. (talk) 19:37, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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