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Dab[edit]

Dabs arent desired to hide information as if our readers just arent capable of grasping the name of [[Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib. How does this "make the text more readable and concise", we dont dumb down when it comes to our maths articles and I fail to see why we should heren?A dab is anactive thing and so needs to be justified. And the dab doesnt anyway make things more readable, it confuses the readers who is left wondering what on earth an article about "influential uncle"might contain. I hope user Eperoton isnt going to start following me around when I undab links,I only ever do so when I find the links confusingand unhelpful, as was certainly the case here. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 15:11, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

What else can an article linked to the phrase "influential uncle" contain except a biography of the person in question? His relationship to Muhammad and his influence are relevant to the narrative, but giving his name unnecessarily encumbers the text, whose goal is to summarize vast amounts of material within a very short space. Eperoton (talk) 15:20, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
The MOS discourages this approach: see WP:EGG. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:41, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't see how WP:EGG is relevant here. It's about linking a phrase corresponding to a broader notion to an article about a more specific notion. "Influential uncle" (or maybe "his influential uncle") and "Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib" refer to the same entity. I'm not aware of a guideline limiting linking of biographical articles to names. I think it's helpful to link biographical articles for all persons discussed in the article, but I don't see how it would be helpful here to spell out names of people who are mentioned only once and whose significance in the narrative is determined by their relationship to another person and/or their post (governor of X, his vizier, etc). By the way, let's respect WP:BRD and maintain an established revision until we reach a consensus. Eperoton (talk) 16:01, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
See the longer discussion at WP:EASTEREGG. This case is entirely analogous to the Bombay Explosion example discussed there. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 16:40, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
That's not a good analogy because there were many "earlier disasters" and the vagueness of the term (probably) hides important details. It is analogous to the next example "a war launched in 1763 by a loose confederation of elements of Native American tribes," and the guideline in not requiring to specify its name for the link. Eperoton (talk) 17:08, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
The case is entirely analogous: Muhammad had many uncles, and "in a print version, there is no link to select, and the reference is lost". Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
How does that distinguish between the two examples or bear on the policy? The rationale of WP:EASTEREGG is not to create links "that require the reader to open them before understanding what's going on". Muhammad's influential uncle whose death prompted the hijra, like the loose confederation of tribes which launched the war of 1763, are descriptions which provide the details relevant to the narrative and which would easily allow the reader of a book to identify the referent in a more detailed source. The reference to "an earlier disaster" does not. Understand, I'd like to work toward a mutually acceptable solution, but I need a valid policy-based objection or a comprehensible pragmatic concern to work with. Eperoton (talk) 17:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
We appear to be stuck in mutual incomprehension with little hope of progress. However your recent edit is ideal, so the point may well be moot. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:01, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I suspect the issue of linking without naming will come up elsewhere in this article as it evolves, but we can set the dispute aside for now. Eperoton (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Map[edit]

Hi, I have changed the map of the Abbasid caliphate. Because the map given here is wrong. If you look at the map, the Aghlabid kingdom has not been shown as a part of the Abbasid empire, which I think is wrong. I have done one more thing. I have removed the map of the regional powers to a later section. To this section "Rise of regional powers." I think the map is more relevant there.Hector 2016 (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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