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Toronto Harbour[edit]

I think something should be added about the original shoreline being at Front St. and how the harbour was filled in. I don't know enough about it to do this, and I was actually looking for that information myself. --70.29.23.252 05:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The Esplanade (just below Front - at least from Yonge to Jarvis) was the wharf docks location at the time, until landfill reclamation that occurred with the re-configuration of the Don River mouth I believe it was the late 1880's? The current is esplanade is almost 2km from current queens quay docks so that it a significant change in the city's layout, maybe someone can elaborate. TO EDITOR(S): I find this history page to be discontinuous and jumps topics, maybe it should follow time continuity but without appearing like just a timeline page

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City of Toronto?[edit]

It seems to me that this page is basically the history of the old City of Toronto (1834-1997) (information of the Town of York 1793-1834 has its own article) that has a very small page (Old Toronto). Perhaps these should be combined as a page called City of Toronto (Old) or something like that? Just a suggestion.JosephIWMolto (talk) 04:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Chronology Suggestion[edit]

If eveyrone feels this article is still poorly structured (above comment under 'Toronto Harbour'), I would suggest dividing Toronto's history (1834-1997) something like this:

  • Before 1834 history under Town of York
  • 1834 - 1850s - Post 1812 war: growth and building (Osgoode Hall etc.). First Elections leading to rebellion, resulting Union of Canadas in turn resulting in municipal and schools legislation during the 1840s. Irish Famine Immigration and epedemics.
  • 1850s - 1870s - Toronto sometime capital of United Canadas. Building of railroads and railroad suburbs, secterian disorders, effects of war and ongoing slavery in U.S. Development of City Liberties (between Queen and Bloor)
  • 1880 - 1900 - Electrical infrastructure. First period of Amalgamations: Yorkville, Brockton, Pardale, Riverdale, ending with building of new (Old) City Hall.
  • 1900 - 1920 - Prewar, first large wave on non-British immigration. Redevelopment and Infrastructure: waterfront debates & Harbour Commission, Prince Edward Viaduct & first plans for rapid transit. Second period of Amalgamation; Cities of North (Davisville), East (Norway) & West (Junction) Toronto.
  • 1920 - 1950 - Repercussions of First World War; Depression, Second World War. Third period of (minor) amalgamations. Home children, War brides and Veterans homes outside old city centre.
  • 1950 - 1970s - Metropolitan Toronto. Post war (mainly non-British European) immigration and development (Construction of and debates over Highways). Last period of amalgamations; Swansea, Forest Hill etc.
  • 1970s - 1997 - Recent Development; skyscrapers (C.N. Tower), 'monster' home suburbs, deindustrialisation. Immigration from Former Soviet Union.
  • Post 1997 amalgamation history with new City of Toronto article (Megacity debate, building of Condominiums, increased non-European immigration etc.)

Or something like that...? JosephIWMolto (talk) 09:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. Information can be added from J. M. S. Careless and James Lemon's books on Toronto's history. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 12:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I think the twenty year spans work ok. There is also an article on Metropolitan Toronto to consider. I am concerned about the length of this article with this proposal. I don't think that each twenty year period is enough for an article on its own. Possibly put the 1800s together in an article, the 1900s together in another? But use the twenty year divisions? The History of Toronto article would then become a summary, and the whole series could become a 'topic.' Alaney2k (talk) 14:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

We could always start redividing the article like this (a big job I think) if eveyone is OK with that and then, if the 1834-1997 span gets too long, we can look for an obvious place to divide it again? JosephIWMolto (talk) 14:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What I suggest is one of these series templates and then go from there. This is just a first pass:
Part of the series on
History of Toronto

Toronto-cityhall.jpg

History
York, Upper Canada (1793–1834)
History of Toronto (1834–1954) (1834–1954)
Metropolitan Toronto (1954–1997)
History of Toronto (1997–present) (1997–present)
Toronto portal ·

Sometimes it's easiest to look at something. Alaney2k (talk) 14:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Much of the information in the article could be moved to the New City of Toronto, Town of York and Metropolitan Toronto articles JosephIWMolto (talk) 14:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


Not sure what you mean by New City of Toronto. It appears that there needs to be an article, not a template about the former municipalities. I've added the Amalgamation to the series template. Alaney2k (talk) 15:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Part of the series on
History of Toronto

Toronto-cityhall.jpg

History
York, Upper Canada (1793–1834)
History of Toronto (1834–1954) (1834–1954)
Metropolitan Toronto (1954–1997)
Amalgamation of Toronto (1998)
History of Toronto (1997–present) (1997-present)
Toronto portal ·

The table looks good, but the picture of the Old City Hall would be more appropriate. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

If you have a specific photo, could you edit it into Template:History of Toronto? Alaney2k (talk) 15:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I found an old city hall painting at commons. Alaney2k (talk) 16:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
There is also the History of neighbourhoods in Toronto which has some of the best historic content but seems to lack a clearly focused subject (it seems mostly a retelling of Toronto's history with emphasis on development of neighbourhoods which means it will simply be a repetition of Toronto's and various neighbourhood's histories in a different way). If there is any new information in the article it is only because it has been forgotten in another article where it would also be relevant. Presumably any basic description of what a neighbourhood in Toronto is or has been in the past should be able to fit in the List of neighbourhoods in Toronto article. Just though we whould keep these two articles in mind. JosephIWMolto (talk) 09:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

2010 Toronto Earthquake[edit]

Should we include information about the 5.0 magnitude earthquake that occurred just before the G20 summit? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 18:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it is too minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Update the "Since 1998" section[edit]

That section is in need of updating. I mentioned the 2010 G-20 Toronto summit. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

This section still needs updating well after my previous comment. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:57, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

questioning the origin of the name the White House...[edit]

I am questioning the origin of the name the White House suggested here. I read that this is a retronym, that the USA's executive mansion had been called "the White House" prior to the War of 1812. Geo Swan (talk) 03:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

better stick to Toronto for this article. Rjensen (talk) 04:22, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. This article is simply about the history of Toronto, not the history of Toronto and the aftermath of events that happened in Toronto elsewhere. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 05:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Article needs major update[edit]

I noticed that this article is not getting much attention. There have been new information in the Mantle Site article. The Since 1998 section needs some updating and some cleaning up. How is SARStock more important than many other episodes of Toronto's history such as Teiaiagon, the Ward, the Bloor-Danforth line, the Scarborough RT, the G-20 summit in 2010, and others, other than the concert festival revitalizing Toronto's tourism? Most of all, the article needs much more citations. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

The Mantle Site has been added in the See Also section. However, the Since 1998 section still needs some updating and cleaning up. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 18 July 2012 (UTC)