Talk:History of communism/Archive 1
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- 1 noname
- 2 Council of Europe about the Communism
- 3 from (September 28, 1939).
- 4 Merger and redirecting?
- 5 WCM
- 6 rewrite
- 7 History of the Portuguese Communist Party
- 8 Shifting material over here
- 9 international communist conspiracy
- 10 Edit
- 11 Undue 2009, Globalise 2009
- 12 Pre-Marxist Communism should be a separate article
- 13 Lead section
- 14 See also
- 15 communism in America
- 16 File:Joseph Stalin.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- 17 Assessment comment
- 18 Communist rules
- 19 External links modified
I think that this material is pretty well covered in many other articles. This articel appreas to be an essay (without the references), does it need to be kept or should it be deleted --nixie 06:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Council of Europe about the Communism
http://assembly.coe.int/Mainf.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta06/Eres1481.htm Xx236 14:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
from (September 28, 1939).
What does it mean? Xx236 14:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Merger and redirecting?
The material in this article is covered far better in History of socialism, and both the Communism and Communist state articles have extensive history sections. I suggest moving all useful material to other articles (if it isn't already covered there) and making this a redirect to history of socialism. -- Nikodemos 01:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Communist Movement about deleting that article, and incorporating material in this one. --Soman 15:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I wrote that article myself. You may find useful content in it. I'd like to help you, however, due to my non native English speaking, I prefer not doing it. But if you have any questions or requests, just say. Cheers! Mário 21:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Where are the chineese in this "history of communism?" North Korea?Laos? Vietnam? Cuba? The soviet union is indeed history but there needs to be more on all of theese nations too. Zhukov 18:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Shifting material over here
international communist conspiracy
Perhaps I am not searching correctly. But was looking for information on what was known in the US by some paranoids as the international communist conspiracy. The notion that anything and everything was a communist plot out to conquer the world and destroy the United States. This theory also held that the Soviet Union was out to conqueror the world and place all of humanity under one global communist dictatorship headed in Moscow. I know this wouldn't necessarily be under "History of communism", but I've thus far come to a dead end as far as wikipedia is concerned. It is remarkable the number of people who make fun of conspiracy theories but who accepted without question the existence of an International Communist Conspiracy. writes author and former US State Department employee William Blum. http://killinghope.org/aer43.htm 220.127.116.11 15:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I recently made a major edit on the article.
- Trimmed the intro, 'akin to' is a bit to contextually dependent, the line on shadow governments a bit odd. If the article focuses on the communist movement, then that per se includes both legal and illegal communist groups.
- Communist party is a term that emerges at the time of the October Revolution, in opposition to the social democratic mainstream. Reworded formulation on First International.
- "Since the collapse of the Soviet Union debate surged on the "collapse" or "death" of communism and the consolidation of Chinese economic reform. One by one, the major communist resistance worldwide has either been crushed or been subsumed under a wider capitalist-oriented framework as effectively loyal opposition. But active resistance-based communism as a political ideology today is still very strong when taken in an international context. All of Europe, Scandinavia, and Asia have extremely strong communist movements of various types, often prone to violent clashes with police and other law enforcement, and often in leadership and/or influential in a wide swath of Europe's labor movement — a situation which stands in direct contrast to most of the Americas and especially to the United States, where communism is and always has been markedly weaker." is just so incorrect that it has to be removed, and replaced by a completly different text. Extremly strong, violent prone communist movement in Scandinavia?
- "Communist revolutionaries also take credit for many of the major semi-permanent social-policy upheavals that fall short of outright revolution; for example, they and their brethren in the worldwide labor movements often make the argument that were it not for the leadership of communist activists to counterbalance capitalist exploitation, social welfare and the welfare state would not exist as extensively as they do today. Thus, a case is made that even without revolution in the near term, communist agitation is necessary as an effective opposition force to help make governments afraid of their people (as opposed to the other way around), and to maintain that new power balance by any and all means." Commentary style, OR?
- "However, today as in the past, revolutionaries who may cast themselves as righteous communist liberators in a given resistance struggle against capitalism and imperialism, will often "sell out" this struggle once they gain state power (for major examples of this, see "Socialism with Chinese characteristics", doi moi, and "peaceful coexistence"). This, in turn, disappoints and demoralizes other communists around the world who may have gone out of their way to support these revolutionaries. This happened, of course, the most markedly with the alleged sell-outs of the Soviet Union and Mao Tse-Tung, but it has also been the case with many who had supported the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, various communist-leaning republics in Africa, and/or the Iranian communist movement before 1979, only to have the hopes and dreams promised by these movements allegedly betrayed." Commentary style, highly unencyclopediatic. Sell-out in Iran pre-1979? Hardly npov.
- "Today, the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), which formerly led an armed insurrection in Nepal, has joined the country's new unity government, which many communists allege is yet another example of a "sell out". However, communist guerrillas are still actively fighting the governments of the Philippines (which is also fighting an Islamist insurgency at the same time) and Colombia (which simultaneously has to deal with almost uncontrollably rampant drug trafficking and human trafficking) and Peru (though the Shining Path is not now any longer a threat to Peru's government). Notably, there is a strong, cohesive communist opposition to the Islamic Republic of Iran led by Worker-Communist Party of Iran and its offshoot, the Worker-Communist Party of Iran-Hekmatist, which is descended from the original Iranian communist movement that had originally shared power with the Ayatollah before he kicked the communists out of the unity government in which he had assured them they would share. Both the WCPI and the WCPI(h) groups claim that they continue the path of Mansoor Hekmat, famous Iranian communist and founder of the worker-communist parties of Iran and Iraq. Despite being sidelined after the Iranian Revolution of 1979, these parties are still trying to overthrow the leadership of the country." Commentary on Nepal highly pov, passages on Philippines, Peru and Colombia written from a state-centric perspective (and largely covered below in the text), Hekmat marginal feature in the world communist movement as a whole.
- "but the revolutions in Germany, Hungary and Finland were crushed, leading to Socialism in One Country", incorrect. Socialism in one country was a political positioning, result of political debates. not all communists were convinced of this analysis.
- CPI(M) is not part of the Indian government.
- CPN(Maoist) has resigned from the government.
--Soman 05:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Undue 2009, Globalise 2009
The current article is fixated on the Soviet Union. It gives undue weight to Soviet perspectives, particularly pre-war ones, and gives undue weight to the official Soviet historiography of Marxism, creating an improper equation of Communism is Marxism.
- Maoism needs significant expansion, both in and out of power
- The Korean revolution is inadequately dealt with
- The South East Asian revolutions are inadequately dealt with
- The First International is glossed over, the Second Internationals do not appear
- Communist dissent does not appear in the Comintern or Post-war period
- Western communist movements and post-war movements do not appear
- South America is cursorially dealt with.
- I agree fully. I also think some mention of anarchist communism should be made, as well as more on pre-marx communism. Zazaban (talk) 22:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
- As well as Libertarian Marxism, which proved very popular during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Zazaban (talk) 22:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
- I thought anarchist communism could be subsumed under:
- Second ("Black") International in the Internationals seciont
- Interwar dissident communism
- Post war cliques section
- Obviously requiring its own paragraphs
- I thought anarchist communism could be subsumed under:
- Libertarian Marxism probably suits the post war western section the best. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Pre-Marxist Communism should be a separate article
- There's a large prominently link at the moment to Pre-Marxist Communism at the top of the first section. Does this work for you? Fifelfoo (talk) 21:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
The lead section is grossly inappropriate, as it doesn't include any information on the negative history of communism, including dictatorship, totalitarianism, human rights abuses, and genocides/mass killings/massive crimes against humanity, i.e. characterizing aspects of the history of communism.
- This sentence is POV: "Communism is a political movement that focuses on the equalization of all members of a society. "
- This sounds like an exaggeration to me: "The political movement of communism has been a worldwide social movement for centuries."
- This sentence is inappropriate: "Communism is a highly debated movement." Would we describe National Socialism as a "highly debated movement"? Virgil Lasis (talk) 11:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- List of Communist parties
- Category:Political organizations
- Category:Communist parties
- Socialism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nordikrage (talk • contribs) 21:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
communism in America
is it not known that america is following some of the blatant outlines set out in the Communist manifesto by Karl Marx?
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|This article misidentifies identifies communism. Communism is not a political movement. It is fundamentally a philosophy and a social and economic arrangement.
I agree with the prior comment that pre-Marxist communism is missing. The entire article starts with the premise that communism begins with Marx and doesn't distinguish state socialism from communism. Marxist communism is only one branch of a much larger tree that includes Christian communism (i.e. Christianity) and which seems to have been the prevailing way of life for most of human history, up to a few thousand years ago.
This article needs to be completely overhauled.
2016-04-09 Indeed this article includes a lot of nonsense. How can a page about communism include the subject of 'governance'/politics (Kremlin, Communist Party's), "economic regression" and so on? Some writers clearly misunderstood the concept of communism. As it is a philosophy in and on itself. One without politics, economy, power, and military. Also it is widely known that the FARC in Colombia doesn't stand for communist values. Therefore I have no clue as to why it should state that it is a communist group.All in all, this article needs a massive overhaul, without any editing from governments or political sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 10:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Substituted at 14:58, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Under the Communist system of government, the people did not truly choose those who governed them. The people had no opportunity to vote for anyone who opposed the Communists. They had very little chance to hear any ideas discussed except those approved by the communists. The government censored, or controlled,newspapers, magazines, and radio and television broadcasts.
censor(n): control the media.
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