Talk:History of the Balkans

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Commercial Link authomaticaly inserted ?[edit]

I've writing "table chess" and automaticaly the link was addded? Does anybody know how this is possible? User:CristianChirita

Links need editing on this page. "Illyrian" links to the language - it should link to the people (IllyrianS). "Illyrian kingdom" is linked at least 3 times. (talk) 13:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Begining of the article[edit]

Quote: "The history of the Balkans is dominated by wars, rebellions, invasions, the fluidity of ethnic groups, the inability of different groups to cooperate as well as interference by and clashes between great empires."

As a Bulgarian person I don't think thats fair. Well actually it is fair but it applies to ALL of nations and regions. I think the FIRST sentence was direct and open assault on the allready low image of the region. With no arguments these two sentences are radical and unreasonable; even if they had arguments, such points of view are not something to be encouraged in supposedly neutral encyclopedia.



Doclea wasnt a serbian principality, neither its inhabitants were Serbs. Mihailo Voislavljevic wasnt proclaimed as a king of the Serbs but as the king of the Slavs. Citizens of Doclea were called doclean Slavs or only Docleans(Montenegrin ancestors) and they werent of same nationality as the Serbs. Those who claim othervise are ignorant or liars because there is no historical evidence that Doclea(Zeta) was serbian country untill it was annexed by Serbian Empire in 1186,but again it regained its independence in 1356 and continued to exist(under the name of Montenegro) as a separate country with separate history untill 1918 when it was illegaly abolished by Serbia. Montenegro again gained its independence in 2006 so it deserves its own article, 22:36,1 february 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Well friend, for what You say You must provide a historical proof. I think You are influenced by some modern politics, and I conclude it by Your "illegal abolishion". Raška and Zeta were Serbian realms. In the time of Vojislavljević dynasty, the realm name was not "Doclea" for several centuries. And the two states existed separated until they are united under the name of Serbia. And Serbia became an Empire on the year 1346. As for Your "separate history", that is not true. Our nation's history was allways tightly connected. Please, leave independentist propaganda for some other place. (talk) 14:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Fleeing of Albanians[edit]

It is stated in the 'WW2' chapter that : 'Due to severe resistance from the local Serb and Greek populations, and because of the attempts, made from Bulgarians, Croats and Albanians to change the ethnic composition of the occupied territories, several hundred thousand Serbs and Greeks died. With the end of the war, the changes reverted to their original conditions and the settlers returned to their homelands, mainly the ones settled in Greece. An Albanian population of the Greek North, the Cams, were forced to flee their lands. Their numbers were about 18 000 in 1944.' The Northwestern part of Greece from its confine with Albania till the Gulf of Arta, comprising cities such as Janina, Igumenica or Arta, was already populated by Albanian population. Due to the Greek politic of making the country's population as homogen as possible, the Albanian Cham population was either driven out of their own land which was then sold/given to Greeks or forced to change name and religion into respectively Greek and greek orthodox ones. This chapter of history is however discussed with each country giving their own version, so if you wanna stick to such an greek-indoctrinized version then please refer an official and trustworthy source! I suggest the part be deleted temporarily until the source has been given. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


This is a very biased article. One cannot write a long article about the history of the Balkans and ignore macedonia's existance!!! A Greek entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman Section[edit]

Removed a blatantly outdated and nationalist line. I tried to expand, but it will need major, slow and (painstaking?) work to try and get this up to academic standard. Any help, suggestions will be warmly welcomed Ottomanist (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Ethnic cleansing[edit]

"During the war in Croatia, from 1991 to 1995 around 600,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed from southern and eastern parts of country"

According to 1991. census there were 581,663 Serbs in Croatia. According to 2001. census there were 201,631 Serbs in Croatia, so therefore there couldn't be 600,000 refugees.

1. We have to take in account negative demographic growth of Serbs in Croatia before Croatian war of independence which was amplified with war casualties as well as declinig economy and forced conscription in Serb-held areas of Croatia during 1991-1995 period. 2. Assimilation rate of remaining Serbs in Croatia was also higher then usual because of the war. 3. About 35,000 people (mostly non Croatian-born Serb officers and their families) withraw with JNA (Yugoslav Peoples Army) from areas where there was no armed conflict with Croatian Army ( Istria, Rijeka, Zagreb, Split, Vis ... ) so they cannot be considered as victims of the ethnic cleansing. 4. Methodology of 2001. census was much more restrictive then one of the 1991. census. If we apply 2001-census methodology to 1991. census, Croatia in 1991. would have 5-7% less inhabitans so number of Serbs (as weel as Croats) in Croatia would also been smaller.

Considering all aspects it's hard to believe that number of Serbs refugees from Croatia ever reached 300,000 people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozapa (talkcontribs) 18:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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I was about to cleanup the article, but was stopped. There are clear problem tags at the top. This article is not suited for intricate detail — summarization of content is needed. @Jeppiz: any comment?--Zoupan 15:07, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea but given that it's a sensitive area, I'd recommend outlining what you plan to do and check that people agree. Jeppiz (talk) 15:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Cleanup. Summarize. Clear overview sections. Add actual sources and references. There are countless links in See also for those wanting detail [not suitable here].--Zoupan 15:13, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Poeschl's comment on this article[edit]

Dr. Poeschl has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:

"The collapse of the Yugoslav federation was due to various factors in various republics that composed it." The text does not elaborate on those "various factors". It should be mentioned that in 1990 the real GDP was slightly lower than in 1980. This gave radical minorities a chance to trigger secession wars. On the Balkans, the history of many families contains ethnically mixed marriages.

We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.

Dr. Poeschl has published scholarly research which seems to be relevant to this Wikipedia article:

  • Reference : Vasily Astrov & Vladimir Gligorov & Peter Havlik & Mario Holzner & Gabor Hunya & Sebastian Leitner & Zdenek Lukas & Anton Mihailov & Olga Pindyuk & Leon Podkaminer & Josef Poschl & Sandor Richter & He, 2011. "Recovery - in Low Gear across Tough Terrain," wiiw Forecast Reports 7, The Vienna Institute for International Economic Studies, wiiw.

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