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- 1 Who was first?
- 2 Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2015
- 3 Netday '95-2004
- 4 Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2015
- 5 Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2015
- 6 Reverse copyright infringement
- 7 Semi-protected edit request
- 8 Timeline AfD
- 9 External links modified
- 10 Popular Internet services
Who was first?
I just reverted two edits by User:Twobells. The version before Twobells' changes read:
- Packet switching networks such as ARPANET, Mark I at NPL in the UK, CYCLADES, Merit Network, Tymnet, and Telenet, were developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s using a variety of communications protocols. The ARPANET in particular led to the development of protocols for internetworking, in which multiple separate networks could be joined into a network of networks.
The version after Twobells' changes read:
- Packet switching networks such as ARPANET, Mark I at NPL in the UK, CYCLADES, Merit Network, Tymnet, and Telenet, were developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s using a variety of communications protocols. Donald Davies was the first to put theory into practice by designing a packet-switched network at the National Physics Laboratory in the UK, the first of its kind in the world and the cornerstone for UK research for almost two decades.  Following, ARPANET further led to the development of protocols for internetworking, in which multiple separate networks could be joined into a network of networks.
- Data Communications at the National Physical Laboratory (1965-1975) IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, Volume 9 Issue 3-4, Pages 221-247, Martin Campbell-Kelly.|http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4640566&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4640566%7Caccessdate=18 May 2015|
We are now back to the original version without twobells' changes. According to the ARPANET article the first APRANET messages were exchanged in October 1969. The abstract to the article that twobells' cited (I don't have access to the full article) includes this sentence: "The report focuses on the construction of the NPL Data Communications Network, which first became operational in 1970." Given this, I think it is best to avoid claims about who was "first". --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 04:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- No-one is trying to create a 'who was first' argument, all I was doing was correcting the chronology, the network at NPL created by Davies was both the first packet-switched network and the first such network described so. The NPL DCN wasn't the first network just a larger version of the original which was created in 1966. One notable source is Yates' insighftul work 'Turing's Legacy: A History of Computing at the National Physical Laboratory 1945-1995'  page 117
- Turings Legacy Computing Laboratory (1945-1995) "Turing's Legacy: A History of Computing at the National Physical Laboratory 1945-1995", Pages 126-146, David M. Yates|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ToMfAQAAIAAJ |accessdate=19 May 2015|
- It is hard to avoid a "who is first" argument with the wording "Donald Davies was the first to put theory into practice by designing a packet-switched network at the National Physics Laboratory in the UK ...". It seems as if there are two NPL networks being mentioned at different points in the article and one of them became operational in 1970 (see the sub-section on NPL a little further on in the article). If that is the case, we need to make that clear since right now the article seems to contradict itself. Perhaps this more detailed information doesn't belong in the lead, but could be put into the sub-section on NPL instead. It would also be good to include a specific date or at least the year when "Davies put theory into practice". --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 13:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- The Campbell-Kelly piece is clear (page 236) that a single node was finally connected in 1970. Prior to that, in the article, they put a lot of emphasis on designs and planning. That's a single node (a single packet switch), and, depending on your definitions, maybe a network. On the Arpanet (see Abbate, Inventing the Internet, for example), the first packet switch was connected to a host in September 1969, and two packet switches (each with a host) communicated in October 1969. In terms of the planning and things people wanted to do, on page 228 of the article we see a memorandum written by Davies, the same year that Roberts and Marill, in preparation for ARPA/IPTO's efforts with what would eventually be the Arpanet, wrote Toward A Cooperative Network of Time-Shared Computers. These contents for firsts are a distracting sideshow, especially when, looking closer at the dates, the Arpanet was indeed first. And, for that matter, BBN, the Arpanet contractor, was doing tests with the IMPs well before deployment (Hafner, Where Wizards Stay Up Late). User89609437 (talk) 05:47, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2015
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The internet was made in 1990s And remains popular to the younger generations to society, especially porn hub
- Not done: Assuming good faith, this is unimportant/trival. -- ferret (talk) 15:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking that NetDay should be mentioned in the article, since it helped contribute towards the Internet's growth. Netday was an event established in 1995 by then President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore to connect schools, libraries, and clinics worldwide to the Internet by the year 2000. President Clinton once said, "I'm proud to have been the President who brought the White House into the digital age. When I became President, there were just 50 websites on the World Wide Web. Now there are 17 million and almost 50 million households online in the United States alone" (Presidential Libraries; July 8, 2000). --Marioluigi98 (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know who wrote this, but I think this section is highly suspect in this section "World Wide Web and introduction of browsers"
>> The explosion in popularity of the Web was triggered in September 1993 by NCSA Mosaic, <<
There was no "explosion in popularity" of the Internet until two factors happened. Browers, yes, but ISPs were also in short supply for household consumers. Ironically an earlier text "NSFNET was decommissioned in 1995, removing the last restrictions on the use of the Internet to carry commercial traffic" hit on the actual cause of the Internet boom. And to my mind no other factor made this take full effect than in the summer of 1995 AOL made the World Wide Web accessible via their internal browser. AOL had millions of users at this point and it was this availability of the net that drove new ISPs into being. The fact that AOL is only mentioned once on this page is tragic.
Here is a suggestion on how it should read:
A boost in web users was triggered in September 1993 by NCSA Mosaic, a graphical browser which eventually ran on several popular office and home computers. This was the first web browser aiming to bring multimedia content to non-technical users, and therefore included images and text on the same page, unlike previous browser designs; its founder, Marc Andreessen, also established the company that in 1994, released Netscape Navigator, which resulted in one of the early browser wars, when it ended up in a competition for dominance (which it lost) with Microsoft Windows' Internet Explorer. Finally in 1995 with the commercial use restrictions lifted, popular online service America Online (AOL) offered their users a connection to the Internet via their own internal browser.
Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2015
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More mention of BBS systems is required (60,000 BBS's with 17 million users by 1994). BBS operators became the first ISPs. Jack Rickard was seminal, etc. Humanismws (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Not done for now: @Humanismws: Okay, where would we find this information to add it? Please provide a source. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 22:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)  Humanismws (talk) 00:27, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Reverse copyright infringement
See , which copies extensive amounts of this article; it was one of the first Google hits for "not running a communication utility", for example. No attribution to Wikipedia, this article, or its authors is given, and the author of the book reserves all rights. It was published in 2014, but bits such as the "communication utility" were present in the article in 2013. Nyttend (talk) 05:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- As the substantial copyright holder of the particular version that had been used, I've filed a DCMA notice to the publisher. This is pretty much the draft I recognise as much of my own work, including a lot of my personal idiosyncratic writing that's disappeared over time, albeit with a simple word-replacement filter run over it to try and mask the origin. Nice to know our work is worth stealing I guess? --Barberio 13:42, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request
I would like to add this event: "ARPANET experienced a complete halt on 27 October 1980 because of an accidentally-propagated status-message virus that can be considered the first internet hack in history." Sources:
- This Day in History: October 27 | Computer History Museum, http://www.computerhistory.org/tdih/October/27/
- Hobbes' Internet Timeline - the definitive ARPAnet & Internet history, http://www.cs.kent.edu/~javed/internetbook/hobbestimeline/HIT.html
- ARPANET Outage Data Breach, su Person of Interest Wiki, http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/ARPANET_Outage_Data_Breach
- James F. Kurose,Keith W. Ross, Reti di calcolatori e Internet. Un approccio top-down, Pearson, 2008, p. 660, ISBN 9788871924557.
- Happy Anniversary to the Early Internet's First Network-Wide Crash, http://motherboard.vice.com/read/happy-anniversary-to-the-early-internets-first-network-wide-crash
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- After looking for what editors of this page used for an inclusion criteria, I haven't actually found much. Source that says "popular"? Alexa rating? Featured in a "history of the internet" source? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:53, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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Popular Internet services
So there's the "Examples of popular Internet services" sidebar, which currently was added here in 2011, a few entries added between then and 2013, and then split off to Template:Internet history timeline. I'm not seeing any real discussion about what "popular Internet services" means, which suggests it's likely WP:OR. I started a thread about inclusion criteria on the talk page of the separate timeline of popular Internet services which I mentioned above, but didn't get any response. As that looks to be headed for deletion, I thought I'd open a discussion here.
The big picture proposal is that if we can't come up with an inclusion criteria that doesn't require WP:OR, that section should be removed. But here are some possibilities for inclusion criteria and some thoughts on each:
- Sources calling something "popular" - Who knows how many tens of thousands of sites are described that way, with almost as many senses of the word. It's not a clear word to use and I don't think it helps us define criteria.
- Traffic - The problem with traffic is that even if we have perfect traffic data over the last 20 years or so, web traffic in the 90s was dramatically less than it is today, such that a site that was among the most popular then probably wouldn't make the top 1000 today.
- Traffic rankings - Alexa has been doing traffic rankings since, I think, the late 90s. Saying the list includes sites that have been in their top 10 or top 20 is a way to go, but with such a narrow criteria the list should probably be renamed accordingly. Also, historical data is only available to people with paid accounts on Alexa (I don't have one, and my bet is most others editing the page don't).
- Other timelines of Internet services - If a reliable source has a timeline of popular Internet services or something reasonably similar, we add what it has to the list. The standard for sourcing would have to be high, because many such timelines' criteria are quite low, and would be sensitive to when they were published (e.g. in the early days of the web some people tried to document all the websites they could find).
- Something else?