Talk:History of the Jews in Poland

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Quite impeccable whitewashing[edit]

Incredible. After reading this article one would come away with the impression that antisemitism practically never existed amongst the Polish people - and when it did, it was only due to...

  • the Russians: "the Partitions of Poland which began in 1772, in particular, with the discrimination and persecution of Jews in the Russian Empire".
  • the Nazis: next sentence, during which, it is explained later, Poles did more than any other nationality to save Jews
  • the Communists: either too many Jews were communists ("Hundreds of Jews were murdered in anti-communist violence") or antisemitism was a reaction to Zionism ("Poland's Communist government, following the Soviet lead, broke off diplomatic relations with Israel and launched an antisemitic campaign under the guise of "anti-Zionism".) "However," the article tells us, "the campaign did not resonate well with the Polish public, as most Poles saw similarities between Israel's fight for survival and Poland's past struggles for independence."

The numerous pogroms and hundreds of deaths in Poland due to antisemitism from 1945 alone are buried so deep within the article and with so many qualifiers that it really makes it look like the Poles and the Polish state are the best friends and protectors the Jews have ever had. Now, anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the history of the region knows this is not a fair characterization. I don't want to right now list a bunch of events and discriminatory laws and get into a flame war with the creators of this article, but I do intend to add some balance over the coming weeks. ZinedineZidane98 (talk) 09:41, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Polish phrase at top of article[edit]

For several years, the infobox in this article has included the Polish phrase Polscy Żydzi, which (Google Translate tells me) means "Polish Jews". Several IP editors, and now Indigowestern, have changed it to Żydzi w Polsce, which means "Jews in Poland". Because the change in the Polish is almost always accompanied by other changes that denigrate the Polish Jewish community, I consider the change from "Polish Jews" to "Jews in Poland" to be an insinuation that Polish Jews were not Polish, they just lived in Poland. (In English, that's the reasonable implication that a reader would draw from comparing the two phrases.)

Can some editors who understand Polish please comment about this? Am I being too sensitive? Is it, as some editors have suggested, a mere spelling correction (which seems unlikely to me)? Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Yes, you're correct Malik Shabazz. There's a difference, which is reflected in the scientific literature on the subject in the Polish language, including monographs:
  1. Polscy Żydzi by A. Jarmusiewicz, 2005
  2. Polscy Żydzi by various authors, 2016
  3. Polscy Żydzi by M. Melchior, 2004
  4. Polscy Żydzi by J. Golec & ‎M. Wojalski, 2009
Polscy Żydzi means Polish Jews. There's no other way to say it. Poeticbent talk 05:18, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Also note that articles regarding Poland, especially during WWII refer to the non-Jewish Poles as "ethnic Poles", which I always thought was strange. Raquel Baranow (talk) 05:27, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
  • This is unfortunate. In the articles on the Holocaust, the more appropriate phrase would be the gentile Poles. Poeticbent talk 05:35, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
The only problem with the gentile Poles is that the one million German Poles were also there, many hundreds of whom joined the Nazi Selbstschutz as well as Sonderdienst formations before transfer to Gestapo. — The Erwin and Riva Baker Memorial Collection (2001). Yad Vashem Studies. Wallstein Verlag. pp. 57–. ISSN 0084-3296. Poeticbent talk 05:43, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Difficulty in interpreting data is further compounded by the fact that, on top of the Catholic Poles whose mother tongue was Polish, there were thousands of Catholic Polish Germans, and thousands of Catholic Polish Ukrainians and others in the Second Republic, with 'autochtonous' background. — Wróbel, Piotr (2014). Historical Dictionary of Poland 1945-1996. Routledge. p. 108. ISBN 1135926948. Poeticbent talk 20:52, 1 February 2018 (UTC)