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1: Holocaust denial is not necessarily antisemitic.
Response: One item that has been raised here several times is the contention that Holocaust denial is not inherently antisemitic, and/or that Wikipedia should not conclude that everyone who is a Holocaust denier harbours antisemitic feelings.
Wikipedia is not here to conclude that, and its editors' opinion on the matter - whatever those opinions are and regardless of who they belong to - are irrelevant. Wikipedia is here to present what reliable sources say. In this case, there is a preponderance of reliable material stating that Holocaust denial is antisemitic, and therefore the article notes that Holocaust denial is considered to be antisemitic, and why the antisemitism template is legitimately included.
Response: Yes, they do. As is already stated in the article, according to the oldest and largest American association of historians and history teachers, "no serious historian questions that the Holocaust took place", and that Holocaust denial is a form of "academic fraud". Wikipedia must avoid using vague or unspecific terms, and words which do not accuractely reflect what reliable sources say.
Response: One issue relates to the death toll plaque at Auschwitz, which was amended following the collapse of the Soviet Union to read 1.5 million Jewish deaths, instead of 4 million victims of no specified ethnicity or background.
The Soviet authorities estimated the death toll not via historical methodology, but by working out how many people could have been cremated during the entire existence of the camp, taking 20% off to account for crematoria down-time, and using that number: around 4 million. They did not, for example, examine how many people were sent to the camp versus how many did not return, but used the 4 million variant to purposely overstate non-Jewish deaths, and diminish the fact that 90% of those that disappeared following their deportation to Auschwitz were Jewish. Once the Iron Curtain fell, communist pressure to keep the original Soviet estimate ceased and the more accurate estimate replaced it.
In any event, reputable historians did not use the 4 million figure in their calculations of the overall number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. Rather, they used numbers of 1 to 1.5 million, figures which are still used today.
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I don't know how to do this, but the FAQ section contains these words: "In any event, reputable historians did not use the 4 million figure in their calculations of the overall number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. Rather, they used numbers of 1 to 1.5 million, figures which are still used today." This part obviously needs a "By whom" tag, or it is just what this tag tries to combat. Unverifiable pseudo-facts with no source-checking possible. It would be in everybody's best interest to make 'reliable sources' out of this claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I added the “contentious label” template to a number of Holocaust denial -related categories. This template was removed; a removal to which I do not object and which I currently do not intend to revert. To reassure others, I am by no means a Holocaust denier. I agree, the Holocaust is a fact in the same sense as any number of other historical events. However I enjoy editing Wikipedia, and I thought the “contentious label” template would be appropriate, given that the term “denialist” is listed as a contentious label.
Is there a reason that Dr. Nicholas Kollerstrom isn't listed in this article? He is a self-proclaimed denier and was booted from his professorial post for his beliefs. I believe he wrote "Breaking the Spell," which is probably the most recent denier work published, at least by a notable person. As far as I can tell it is also one of the most best-selling as well. 02:23, 8 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk)
Netanyahu says Holocaust was idea of Palestinian leader...
How're we going to deal with his holocaust revisionism? Normally we'd just label someone a holocaust denier and an anti semite, but in this case we might need a more subtle approach.126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it falls under denial, as he is not claiming that the holocaust didn't happen or was smaller than the historically accepted figure. It sounds like a petty politically and racially motivated attack on the Palestinians. The claim is easily refuted, but certainly needs to be included in the article. --Dmol (talk) 10:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
This not about denial; as Dmol said, he's not claiming that it didn't happen; he's blaming it on the Palestinians, which, I think most editors on all sides of this issue would agree, is absurd. It is about disinformation, which is a closely-related issue, and as such it does deserve mention, perhaps with a notation (easily sourced) that "his allegation is not supported by the scholarly historical record" -- or something to that effect. That's the way CBS handled it on their evening news last night. DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/talk to me! 13:43, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Of course, but there's a subtle distinction here: The myth that the Final Solution policy involved only deportation, not murder, is certainly part of the definition of Holocaust denial; but Netanyahu is alleging that the Mufti persuaded Hitler to switch from deportation to murder. So he's not disputing the official policy (deportation vs. murder), he's offering a revisionist version of how they got there. DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/talk to me! 15:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to see it added if only to emphasize the deportation policy. Raquel Baranow (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Netanyahu's comments on this have been added to his own Wikipedia article, alongside the refutation by Moshe Zimmermann, who said that this was tantamount to Holocaust denial (using the first source cited by Sceptre here). Personally, I think this should be mentioned (albeit very briefly). – Zumoarirodoka(talk)(email) 17:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Zumoarirodoka. We have RSes linking this to denial so we should mention it without overdoing it. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I do too, I guess. Part of me worries about the potential liability and WP:BLP issues inherent in labeling an Israeli prime minister a Holocaust denier; but we have at least one reputable source (Zimmerman) who has made the link in public statements, so we are unquestionably on firm ground, guideline-wise. By all means, keep it brief, low key, and as neutral as possible - and pray we're not opening a can of worms. DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/talk to me! 23:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I am surprised there is no mention of Netanyahu's speech on the page yet. It is the most prominent example of - according to Israeli law - Holocaust denial in the past few years. The law specifically prohibits saying or publishing anything "with intent to defend the perpetrators of those acts" - and diminishing Hitler's role in the genocide is clearly that. I think it seriously weakens the strength of the otherwise academic rigour of this page to not mention it. Andrew Riddles (talk) 09:34, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I think as long as there are RS describing what Netanyahu said as "holocaust denial", we can make note of it if we do not speak in WP's voice and attribute it specifically to whoever described it. Cannolis (talk) 10:07, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Cannolis. There are wp:rs that state what Netanyahu said is Holocaust denial. Their rationale is not basically stupid. We cannot use WP's voice but we can report this in attributing this. Per WP:BLP, let's not forget to report also what Netanyahu said after he was blamed for his declarations. Pluto2012 (talk) 10:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia should reflect the general opinion of the reliable sources; if it's only one or two who call it "Holocaust denial" while most about it don't then it's undue weight to say "reliable sources say it's Holocaust denial." AnnaLiver (talk) 19:13, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
I also notice that the IP who started this section has been blocked for disruptive posting, so there may be a limit to how seriously we should take this question. AnnaLiver (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
We definitely need to be very careful how we word this because we have different sources going to different lengths on this. We need to be accurate but not overcover it. We don't need more than a short paragraph unless this blows up into a bigger story later. Maybe we should have one or two sentences reporting what he said, one sentence clarifying the true extent of the Mufti's involvement, followed by something like (and I am not necessarily proposing this specific wording, just trying to give a flavour of what I am thinking of). "These comments were met with strong criticism from Jewish, Palestinian and German commentators.(References) Some (insert list) suggested that these comments would assist holocaust deniers attempting to shift blame away from the Nazis.(references) A few (insert list, or maybe it is just Zimmerman here?) claimed that they were tantamount to Holocaust denial itself.(References)" --DanielRigal (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
I haven't seen any evidence that it's any other historian than Zimmerman, which is why I'm wary. It's more or less unanimous that Netanyahu said a remarkably stupid thing, so stupid he was forced to retract it a week later, but so far it seems only Zimmerman responded by calling it Holocaust denial. As such, the controversy rises to the level of deserving a mention in Netanyahu's entry, but I'm much less convinced it rises to a mention here.AnnaLiver (talk) 12:32, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
In new pages patrol I came across Draft:Asian Holocaust denial and thought that regulars here might appreciate a heads-up. 08:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
What About Denial of Other Parts of the Holocaust?
For example, Scott Lively's attempts to erase Nazi genocide against gay men and trans women, attempts to erase genocide against the Rroma, against disabled people such as Aktion T4, etc. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Wow, I just looked at the Scott Lively article. That is scary stuff. Denying history, be it the mass killing of Jews or gays or anyone else is extremely worrisome. I don't know how to label it, but it worries me greatly. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 03:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
One of the lessons we can take from recognizing the denial of the Jewish holocaust is that we can't allow any holocaust or genocide to be denied. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 03:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)