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A fact from Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty", written by future Anglican bishop Reginald Heber (depicted), was first published at a time when hymn singing was prohibited in Church of England liturgy?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty.

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Alternative lyrics[edit]

Wow, surprised not to see a talk page here. Anyway, I seem to remember singing different lyrics to the second verse, specifically "crystal" instead of "glassy" and "Who" instead of "Which". Also, I know that some churches (maybe just Churches of Christ?) sing "God over all and blest eternally" as the fourth line of the first and fourth stanzas. Any other ideas/ sources on this? -- 07:09, 15 February 2008

I go to a nondenominational Christian Church, and our hymnal has this alternate last line. For the record, most of us grew up with the "trinity" version and don't like the change.

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The Mormon version finishes the first and fourth stanzas with a nontrinitarian "God in His glory, blessed Deity!". knoodelhed (talk) 09:26, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Heber wrote it as a Trinity Day poem, so he almost certainly wrote “God in three Persons, Blessed Trinity.” Hellenophile07 (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative melody[edit]

John Dykes' melody is by far the best known, but not necessarily the best - how about pointers to other melodies please?

User:TonyGosling  —Preceding undated comment added 10:25, 15 August 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Dykes’ melody, called “Nicæa”, was written to accompany this song only. According to the tune page for “Holy, Holy, Holy”, on www.hymnary.org, a distinct melody called “Trinity” arose in 1920 by Percy MacKaye. This melody was clearly inspired by “Nicæa”, and the text paired very nearly plagiarizes “Holy, Holy, Holy (Lord, God Almighty)”. Hellenophile07 (talk) 00:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source for opening line[edit]

Does the opening line quote the Sanctus of the Latin Mass as the article currently states? The Sanctus begins Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus, Dominus Deus Sabaoth ("Holy, holy, holy, Lord God of hosts"). While in modern English the term "Lord of Hosts" is sometimes rendered "Lord Almighty," I would be very doubful that was the practice in 1861 when Heber wrote the hymn. Obviously, the words in the hymn are not in Latin and it is not strictly a direct quote anyway. Additionally, Heber was surely aware that the Sanctus quotes from the considerably older Isaiah 6:3 and also appears in Revelation 4:8. Greenshed (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, because rather than being a translation of the “Sanctus”, it is more likely to be reminiscent of the Eternal Song you mentioned, from Revelation 4:8: «ἅγιος, ἅγιος, ἅγιος Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ὁ Παντοκράτωρ», which literally means “Holy, Holy, Holy, the Lord the God the Almighty”. Hellenophile07 (talk) 00:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Portrait of Reginald Heber, c.1822

... that the tune for "Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty", composed by John Bacchus Dykes on a text by Reginald Heber (pictured), bears resemblances with a 16th-century Lutheran chorale, Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme by Philipp Nicolai?
- ALT1:... that "Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty", written by future Anglican bishop Reginald Heber (pictured), was first published when hymn singing was prohibited in Church of England liturgy?

Reviewed: Temple Memorial Park
Comment: Shortlist this for June 7th (Trinity Sunday, for which this hymn was written...)

5x expanded by RandomCanadian (talk). Self-nominated at 18:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral, and I was unable to identify any copyright issues. A QPQ needs to be done and then this will be ready to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The QPQ was not strictly necessary as this is only my second nomination; but it has been done. Re. my initial comment about the suggested date: I assume that's ok? RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 14:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT1 only, because I couldn't find the hook fact in the source given for ALT0. I will move this to the special holding area to appear on June 7th. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwmhiraeth: It's in the section "Tune" at the linked reference (beginning with "The tune NICAEA is named after the Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325) at which church leaders [...]") Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 16:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am looking at your #3 reference and still don't see it, although by clicking "Go to tune page >" there is a bit more. Anyway, ALT1 is a more interesting hook, in my opinion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's there when you click "Go to tune page >" but you have to scroll down a bit. In any case, if you think ALT1 is better, I see no problem with that. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 23:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]