Talk:Home Front Command

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  • Merge - not enough info for own article. Instead, one sentence could be placed in the HF command article. --Shuki (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The hebrew article shows that the unit has been very active and a detailing of its structure would overwhelm the HFC page. Joe407 (talk) 09:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Merge - I'm not an advocate for merging this article with the HF one, unless with a sensible cross reference. Someone who is looking for info on Bahadim, will not start looking for this in a article titled Home Front Command. -- Naor 14:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

As there has not been any discussion here since April, I'm going to remove the merge tag. Joe407 (talk) 07:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Update. After being correctly schooled by Ynhockey, I'll add two thoughts. One, I feel a merger is inappropriate here due to the different nature of the units and due to the volume of activity of the SAR unit. The Hebrew pages make this clearer but the Hebrew wiki is awful at sourcing things. Two, I think the merge was proposed when the Bahad 16 article was closer to a stub. Given this, I'll vote Keep. If someone feels a merge proposal of AFD is in order, please tag appropriately or revert my edit. Joe407 (talk) 04:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem is, as you pointed out yourself, is sourcing. There isn't a single reliable source I have found that talks extensively about Bahad 16. Moreover, AFAIK, the information in the article is misleading—the National Search and Rescue Unit (יחצ"א) is subordinate to Bahad 16, even though the article makes it sound like Bahad 16 = National Search and Rescue Unit. If this is clarified, perhaps more sources need to be found for the National Search and Rescue Unit which could comprise the bulk of this article. —Ynhockey (Talk) 22:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
יחצ"א is a reserve unit that takes it orders, as does Bahad 16, from Pikud Haoref. Bahad 16 is the Search and Rescue School and also hold a the regular service response team. יחצ"א is a miluim unit that does miluim by wearing beepers to be on call as well. They are parallel units rather than one being subordinate to the other. In many of the events listed on the Bahad 16 article (to my knowledge) both units were involved. (If I recall correctly, in hebrew there are two separate articles.)
I agree that sourcing is a problem. Not sure what to do with that. Do you therefore suggest to remove the article? Joe407 (talk) 05:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
One more thought. Would official IDF sites be considered WP:RS? According to guidelines the article can source even selfpublished material if importance is established otherwise. Is the official IDF site considered self published? Joe407 (talk) 05:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
My suggestion is, again, to merge the information in Bahad 16 to the Home Front Command article, and then redirect. There is some interesting information that can be sourced, but IMO not enough for a separate article.
About the IDF website: Depends on what you want to use it for. There is a policy about this stuff, which says that you can use self-published sources for articles about themselves (so, IDF website use is permissible for sites about the IDF and its units), but with the qualifications given in the policy.
Ynhockey (Talk) 08:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)