Talk:Home economics

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College list[edit]

I reformated the colleges and acdemic departments list so that all were displayed in a similar manner, with the parent institution name first, followed first by a colon and then by the full name of the college, school, or department.

The statements about food science are way off base and I don't think they belong in the article at all. Post a note if you want to discuss this point, otherwise I'm going to take them out.

Posting here is new to me. Do let me know if I am not following protocol. I added a link to the Board of Human Sciences and revised the name of the program at Iowa State University from Family and Consumer Sciences to Human Sciences. Both have been existence under these names for more than five years. Human sciences (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2010 human sciences 16:10, 8 March 2010

I assume they have now gone?

It would really help if you would date notes like this (but I know I forget sometimes). I do not know if this was a month ago or two years ago (talk)--BozMo 20:30, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

The origin of Home Economics is scientifically based with founder Ellen H. Richards (see Culinary Biographies, Arndt,2006) The organization she helped form was the American Home Economics Association now know as the American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences, the true authority on the body of knoweldge encompassed and still taught in the majority of high schools across the country, open to all students. 5/6/2007 E. Reagin, home economist, BA 1980.

Re-inserting relevant links[edit]

I noticed that there was some concern with the links to “A Taste for Science” and HEARTH that I had added previously, so I am re-inserting them with the assurance that they are not spam. As a virtual exhibit from Cornell University’s Mann Library, the information provided by the “Taste for Science” link is both well-researched and reputable, focusing especially on the development of home economics as a field and the idea of ‘scientific cookery’ in America. HEARTH is a useful online archive through which one may access full texts of home economic books and journals dating from 1820 to 1979.--MannLib (talk) 12:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality[edit]

Is it really necessary for this article to espouse the "importance" of Family and Consumer Sciences in an entire section devoted to it? Wikipedia is not the place for the glorification of some educational philosophy's place in North American schools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.106.118 (talk) 23:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

It should not have been in the article. I just removed it at your prompting. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Home economics[edit]

The Home economics article actually starts by saying that it is "also known as family and consumer science. Surely that is good support for a merger? Also, Consumer Science is a redirect to the one article, and Consumer science to the other. Slashme (talk) 08:00, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. Should we just do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Robert Hughes Jr. (talkcontribs) 14:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
I made both Consumer science and Consumer Science redirect to Family and consumer science. That they did not both go there before was some mistake.
There is reason to discuss a merger between Home economics and Family and consumer science but if a merger is to happen, the definitions of each will need to be articulated and will ought to call for a community vote. I can arrange the vote if other people put together arguments detailing why merger should and should not be enacted. The kinds of evidence which ought to be considered include citing which reputable and relevant organizations use which name, any documents which define either term so that people can judge whether the terms really do refer to equivalent fields, and which terms the media uses with representation from at least a few countries (perhaps United States, England, and India would be a representative survey). Candidates for naming in addition to "home economics" and "family and consumer science" might be "consumer economics" and "consumer studies". I am not sure which name or names or best or how all of these might be defined. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I am the lead author of the Japanese version of Wikipedia "Home Economics"(家政学). Heck, I would should make a cross-language link to either, this item of the Japanese version? In Japan, English translation of Home Economics is "Home Economics". In 1994, history whose name has been changed to "family and consumer science" is, and has been generated from the name change issue of American Home Economics Association, I learned in graduate school and university. That either will be "integrated", I thought to be a breeze when you want to create a link between language. In the Japanese version, now has announced "If you want to refer to the English version, see both" he said. However, I think historically, the original is a home economics, family and consumer science do you not intended to be finished for the name has been changed later? I think the easy integration that we should avoid. In view of the problems, such as inter-language links course, integration is welcome. And I think in everyone change depending on whether you are focused on either ensuring the current, that historic? --御門桜(MIKADO, Sakura) (talk) 17:24, 17 February 2014 (UTC) Absolutely not. These are different disciplines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.164.238 (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and boldly merged these, since the articles were about exactly the same thing. -- Visviva (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

As a Family and Consumer Science teacher I feel the title Home Economics pulls us back, we don't call it that anymore, so why have that be the main title? Why isn't it Family and Consumer Science, formerly known as Home Economics. It just seems backwards to me for it to be titled the old name and then say what we call it in modern day. Seibatooth (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The name change seems to very very americanised and not give the global perspectives that is modern home economics. It is known as Home Economics in Australia. JoMax001 (talk) 13:07, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

What happened with the -s?[edit]

According to the lead of the article and according to the quoted sources it should be Family and consumer sciences with an 's'. Why isn't this in the article name? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 17 May 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


Family and consumer scienceHome economics – These two articles were merged in 2015, which is fine as there seems to be general agreement they are about the same topic. However, I think the articles were merged in the wrong direction, i.e. "home economics" should have been kept as the title because it is the clear common name. See for example this ngram and if we are worried that's not recent enough because it ends in 2008, post-2012 Google Scholar hits gives 16K results for "Home economics" compared to 6K for "Family and consumer sciences" and 1K for "Family and consumer science". Note that if there is a consensus for a move a history swap will be required to preserve the attribution history of the target page. Jenks24 (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Can someone identify any reliable sources which establish "home economics" as the name of this field of study? A contemporary textbook, an academic journal or even just an article, a dictionary, or whatever else. I do not think it is established that "family and consumer science" is the same as "home economics". Should "home economics" and "family and consumer science" be separate articles? Is there another contemporary name for this - "consumer studies", as in The International Journal of Consumer Studies? Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I confirm that all of these sources group "home economics" and "family and consumer science" together. The Handbook explicitly says, "the field of study and profession first named home economics and today, to more accurately reflect the breadth and scope of the field, called family and consumer sciences". Here are those sources expanded with descriptions -
One is a history book, the other is a dissertation which is not widely published, and the handbook is sort of a perspective from another field. These are all good sources but I wonder if we can find something published more recently, from the field itself, and from a respected authority. I think that all of these suggest that "family and consumer sciences" is the preferred term. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I first thought that "family and consumer science" was a WTF title for home ec. A perusal of edit histories shows that the family and consumer science has been around since way back in 2001 and that home economics redirected to that page from its creation in 2004 until 2008. Home economics had a separate article from 2008 till early 2015 until the remerge. —  AjaxSmack  00:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
AjaxSmack Great research. I think this establishes that there is a history of uncertainty and lack of consensus. Your saying this makes me want to check contemporary practice now and collect the evidence to make a fresh decision. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I checked Wikidata to see how this concept is treated in other languages. English Wikipedia influences Wikidata and other language Wikipedias, so I thought for this concept, checking Wikidata would be useful. Both "home economics" and "family and consumer science" are popular and probably confused concepts.
I do not think article count by language is a good way to predict the best term, because in some cases an article which obviously means "home economics" is linked through Wikidata to "family and consumer science".
The reason why I think these concepts are confused is that some languages which have one do not have the other. This could be supporting evidence that other language Wikipedias have presented these as the same concept, just like in English. Languages which have articles for both concepts include Arabic, Danish, French, Japanese, and Korean, but there is no example of a language which has developed articles in both languages.
Here are the most developed articles on the concept in other languages and how Google Translate translates their names to English
My takeaway from all of this is that English Wikipedia should be especially thoughtful in choosing the right name and back the decision with evidence. Whatever happens here could shape the development of other Wikipedias. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't think literal translations from other languages are generally helpful arguments in such caes. Johnbod (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Another argument in support of the nomination is the fact that all academics working in this discipline are called Home economists. Not only has Category:Home economists that category title, but it also comes back in nearly all individual articles that are listed in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Draft outline[edit]

There's a draft for an outline on this topic at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of family and consumer science if anyone is interested. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2016 (UTC)