Talk:Homosexual clergy in the Catholic Church

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Use of correct ecclesiastical language[edit]

While this article clearly intended to be an article for popular audiences, i think it would be worthwhile to try to infuse it with correct ecclesiastical/liturgical language

The second sentence of this article reads "Roman Catholic priests take a vow of celibacy at their ordination and as such are called to refrain from all sexual activity."

First of all, a "promise" of celibacy is made by a deacon (preparing for the secular priesthood) to his ordinary. Second, religious priests make a vow of chastity at their profession. Thus it woudl be good if this sentence could be replaced with something like\

"Roman Catholic priests make a promise of celibacy at their ordination to the transitional diaconate (or a vow of chastity at the time of profession, in the case of religious priests) and as such are called to refrain from all sexual activity." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MattDawg579 (talkcontribs).

"Predatory gay sex" section[edit]

The newly added "Predatory gay sex" section, while possibly containing some pertinent material, is an appalling example of undue prominence, placing a large sensationally-titled section regarding the views of one individual from the perspective of one part of the world in the present moment, right at the start of the main section of an article which deals with the broad topic throughout history. Neither is it written in neutral terms, talking, for instance, about revelations rather than allegations and stating some matters in terms of fact, when, from the citations, they are also allegations by Despard. Whatever the merits of Despard's allegations, this is not the way to cover them in this article. I will remove the section. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:05, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Notable gay Catholic bishops, cardinals and popes[edit]

--178.11.3.161 (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Look NatGertler you can leave this in if you want but it's not really helping much. I know all those cases listed above as I'm the one that mostly provided the material. They are adequately dealt with either in their own articles or in gay bishops. I don't see the point of repeating lots of material here as well. What is the value?Contaldo80 (talk) 08:30, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
You are certainly welcome to voice your opinion about whether this material should be included. However, deleting the material from the Talk page so that no one else can voice an opinion on it is not appropriate. And your reasoning for why they should not be included here is weak; there is plenty of information that is shown in different ways in different articles on Wikipedia. We do not assume that everyone is reading the entire thing. If the information is relevant here, then here would be a good place for readers to find it. Now, it is a question whether the section Notable gay Catholic priests should be expanded from those who are noted for their homosexuality to include clergy who are noted and were homosexual, which would seem to be the goal of these additions... but that seems a fair question to at least ask. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I think you missed my point. An unregistered user dumped a list of names here without saying anything more about how/ whether we should incorporate them. That isn't really an appropriate use of the talk page - it's designed for editors to interact and discuss how to improve an article. If we all dump random material then it will end up very messy. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:54, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope John XII
  2. ^ [https://www.advocate.com/religion/2017/10/18/21-gay-popes-cardinals-and-assorted-catholic-leaders#slide-3; Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Benedict IX]
  3. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Boniface VIII
  4. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope John XXII
  5. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Paul II
  6. ^ [https://www.advocate.com/religion/2017/10/18/21-gay-popes-cardinals-and-assorted-catholic-leaders#slide-7 Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Sixtus IV]
  7. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Alexander VI
  8. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Julius II
  9. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Leo X
  10. ^ https://www.advocate.com/religion/2017/10/18/21-gay-popes-cardinals-and-assorted-catholic-leaders#slide-12 Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Julius III]
  11. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Carlo Carafa
  12. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Henry Benedict Stuart
  13. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Francis Spellman
  14. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope John XXIII
  15. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Pope Paul VI
  16. ^ https://www.advocate.com/religion/2017/10/18/21-gay-popes-cardinals-and-assorted-catholic-leaders#slide-19 Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Rembert Weakland]
  17. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Carlos Maccarone
  18. ^ Advocate: 21 gay popes, cardinals and assorted catholic leader, Keith O'Brien