Talk:Honorific nicknames in popular music

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While I was reading the honourific Titles page of this site, I saw that you have missed Nazia Hassan in this list. You included Ahmed Rushdie and Noor Jehan from Pakistan but missed out Nazia Hassan (contributions in India and Pakistan) and considered the "Queen of Pop" in south Asia and Pioneer of Modern Pop in south Asia. I tried editing the page myself but it was secured "against vandalism" hence couldn't do it. Please edit it and include her. Thank you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazia_Hassan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.149.1.252 (talk) 14:39, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


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Article conventions (please read before posting)[edit]

Because the presence of some individuals or groups has been disputed in the past, the convention in this article is that, rather than just a citation, a quotation should be given in the footnote, or a direct link to a webpage, so that entries can be seen to be valid by other editors. Because this is English Wikipedia sources need to be in English, or a translation provided in the citations. Please note that where web page links are given and they go dead, it is likely the entry will eventually be deleted.--SabreBD (talk) 13:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

There are a few problems with this.
  1. Per Wikipedia policy, sources do not need to be in English.
  2. Per Wikipedia policy, sources do not need to be online.
  3. Per this guideline, citations are not to be removed when they go dead.
These policies and guidelines can not be overridden by consensus on talk page. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
On the second two. This statement does not say that sources need to be online, there are lots of paper sources here. It also does not say that dead references will be removed immediately, but "eventually", which is in line with the guideline. On the first one, it seems that the guideline was changed in 2013 and as usual without any real discussion. I will have to think about that and whether I can be bothered to go through the pain of getting the guideline restored, or if I can think of some sort of wording that is useful here and in line with the guideline. If it is not possible to ask for a translation, then this it may be impossible to maintain the quality of this page, which, frankly, is damned near impossible as it is.--SabreBD (talk) 16:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2015[edit]

Eminem - King of Hip Hop - United States - [1] Slavadamien (talk) 03:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If you look further up the page, you can see that this has been discussed repeatedly in the past and consensus is squarely against this addition to the list. (I trimmed out the remainder of the request, which was a paste of a good chunk of the wikitable from the article.) ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Eteethan(talk) 22:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Billie Holiday[edit]

Lady Day.Topcoat ballet (talk) 06:38, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

You have a point. I will try to find a source.--SabreBD (talk) 21:25, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

African American Registry http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/billie-holiday-one-kind-jazzblues-singer (Nicknamed Lady Day by saxophonist Lester Young.)Topcoat ballet (talk) 17:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Kings of New York[edit]

Is it worth adding in the various rappers who've claimed been proclaimed as 'King of NY'? I'm talking Biggie, Nas, Jay, 50, etc. Source 60.234.89.126 (talk) 13:33, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Only if there are reliable sources that indicated they are called this (calling yourself king means nothing if it is not widely adopted). Then it is fine.--SabreBD (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2015

Add Nicki Minaj. She's been referred to as the First Lady of Hip-Hop, the Queen of Rap, and the Queen of Hip-Hop by many magazines, websites, etc. 98.193.217.73 (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you wouldn't mind providing them, that would be wonderful Cannolis (talk) 04:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

King of Western Swing[edit]

I am astonished that Bob Wills and Spade Cooley, both known widely as the "King of Western Swing" do not appear on this page. I do not have the time or knowledge to add them here but perhaps someone else does. If you go to their individual pages here at Wikipedia you can see that both pages already show that they are known as the "King of Western Swing". A quick google search should come up with reliable sources. These guys deserve the recognition for sure! Thanks for help on this! Htfiddler (talk) 11:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Prince of Teen & Urban Rap[edit]

Prince Moto Sapreme- Prince of Teen & Urban Rap- United States [1] Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:51, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I have giving sources that are not connected with the artist company or himself what so ever now why is his name been added yet to the article? Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done The "independent source" is a press release that can not really be called an independent source. Also, this list should be limited to actually notable artists, and Prince Moto Sapreme (Prince of Teen & Urban Rap) does not show any signs of notability. Finally, Wikipedia should not be used for self-promotion. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:03, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2015[edit]

Adding Usher (entertainer) to the Honorific Nickname page as the "Godson of Soul" and "King of R&B"

http://soultrain.com/2014/10/15/usher-godson-soul/ http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20005417,00.html http://www.today.com/id/5209619/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/new-king-rb/#.VmdZzOk3ODo

Grammys [1]

Washington Post [2]

Jet Magazine [3]

Jet Magazine [4]

Ebony Magazine [5]

Dominique8701 (talk) 22:39, December 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Can you provide some more reliable sources for this @Dominique8701:? I am not seeing much, personally. --allthefoxes (Talk) 00:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2015[edit]

adding Ciara as the -First Lady of Crunk, Princess of R&B, Queen of Dance Video, Princess of Crunk- Unites States [1]

adding Chris Brown now as - the New King Of R&B- United States [2] Princeofurbanrap (talk) 08:31, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Eteethan(talk) 01:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm putting up more info to add to the honorific names of popular music. All that needs to be done is add these names to the artist Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:56, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2015[edit]

adding Prince Moto Sapreme - as the Prince Of Teen & Urban Rap - United States to the honorific names of popular music [1] |ans=yes Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This person does not appear to have their own Wikipedia article. /wiae /tlk 14:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2015[edit]

Add artist Lil B, title The Based God

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/arts/music/27lil.html?_r=2

Stevenpage31 (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

@Stevenpage31:  Done in this edit. Source and content in it checks out. Note that if you examine that diff, you'll see how I cited the source using a citation template ({{cite news}}). I don't begrudge composing it myself one bit, but just note that edit protected requests are best asked for (and are more likely to acted upon) if you provide the exact text you wish to add (or change). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Michael Jackson[edit]

Michael Jackson is not only know as the "King of Pop". Before Thriller he was called "The Gloved One" by the media. Around Bad and Dangerous he mostly was called "King of Pop, Rock & Soul". For HIStory and until now he was defined as the "King of Pop"! This was due to the HIStory album teaser, where fans hold papers with "King of Pop" written on it. Also in 2008 a worldwide compilation series called King of Pop was published. With "King of Pop" it is more ment to honoure him not only as a musician but as a entertainer and global person. So "King of Pop" means not only King of Pop-music but King of Pop-culture. Just as Elvis Presly is ment to be "King of Rock'n'Roll-culture". But when it concerns only of the musical access: Michael Jackson is here and there called the "King of Pop, Rock, Disco, Soul & R'n'B".

Jerry Lee Lewis[edit]

As one of the "founders" of Rock and Roll, I think Jerry Lee Lewis' honorific nickname should be included in this list - The Killer. Thanks for your consideration. Lickenchittle (talk) 19:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 January 2016 EMINEM (honorific nicknames in popular music)[edit]

Thx for reading:

    Eminem not mentioned. Edit request: Eminem: crowned "King of Hip Hop" (by the Rolling Stone) my source is strong and respected i would think there really wouldn't  be a reason for this edit not to be made. 

Now, further up on this talk page I see that someone has already requested this edit, and it was declined. (With no strong reason as to why) on Eminem's Wikipedia page itself on the first paragraph y'all call him the king of hip hop already, referencing rollingstone. And when you click on "King of hip hop" it directs you to the "honorific nicknames in popular music" page. But "king of hip hop" is nowhere to be found on the list of nicknames. "Rolling Stone ranked him 83rd on its list of 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, calling him the King of Hip Hop" - Eminem's Wikipedia page.[1]

    My point is, there's an inconsistency here. wiki is conflicting/contradicting itself. How are you going to call him "King of hip hop" on the Eminem Wikipedia page (using the same rollingstone reference) and deny putting him on the list of nicknames. (Especially when the "King of hip hop" words are linked to "honorific nicknames" page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific_nicknames_in_popular_music http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/introducing-the-king-of-hip-hop-20110815#ixzz3xtEVaTm0

[2]

Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Are you in any way employed by or somehow related to the Rolling Stone? I just ask because there was some strangely promotional text on a request lower down. --allthefoxes (Talk) 15:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Answer: No, I am not. I don't think I'm strangely promoting them. It's just a source. And they seem to be a reliable source given the fact that wiki sources them all the time.

References

 Done.  Assume good faith! Paine  22:34, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

If you look further up the page, you can see that this has been discussed repeatedly in the past and consensus is squarely against this addition to the list.DanJazzy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:16, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Edit request: honorific nicknames in popular music: Eminem[edit]

"Rolling Stone ranked him 83rd on its list of 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, calling him the King of Hip Hop" - Eminem's Wikipedia page. And when you click on king of hip hop, it directs you to the "honorific nicknames in popular music" page but king of hip hop isn't on the page anywhere. sources: Rolling Stone, Wiki

"With his dominant album sales, YouTube views and social-media scores, Eminem takes the title as the current King of Hip-Hop."

Read more: [1]

References

 Done.  Assume good faith! Paine  22:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

If you look further up the page, you can see that this has been discussed repeatedly in the past and consensus is squarely against this addition to the list.DanJazzy (talk)

Taylor Swift Queen of Pop[edit]

Preceded with no explanation nor signature from the contributor.

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No sources provided. Usually, Madonna and artists with similar amounts of seniority are referred to as "kings" and "queens". My personal judgement also says no. Carbrera (talk) 05:42, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Reminder to sign your posts so we know who/whom we are speaking with! :)

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Usher[edit]

At the request of Khaire Nuh, "Usher was called Godson of Soul by James Brown." Here's a video 1:39. However, he didn't exactly say "Godson of Soul", but "the new godson". My point of view: this is the only reference of someone calling him like that, not mainstream media referring to him as such. Case similiar to Madonna calling new female popstars, pop princess. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:54, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

In response to Cornerstonepicker, James Brown is the "Godfather of Soul", and hence "the new Godson" is an unequivocal reference to specifically being the "Godson of Soul". James Brown has only dubbed one artist as such, being none other than Usher after an established career. Mainstream media as a whole have since tagged along and referred to Usher with that nickname in accordance to that moment. There is no other nickname providable by a media outlet that would provide a higher certification. Khaire Nuh (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khaire Nuh (talkcontribs) 02:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@Khaire Nuh:, please can you provide reliable sources that have referred to him with that nickname? (aside from the ones reporting the performance) Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:59, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

In response to Cornerstonepicker : As explained, the phrase has since its revelation stood respectfully and referred back to, in regards to James Brown initiating it. The honour was given to Usher as a result of his diamond selling album, ergo hugely differs to the Madonna scenario you mentioned, which is intended to compliment potential only ("new female popstars") that is yet to be fulfilled as opposed to rewarding an already accomplished standard amount of work here in Usher's case. The media; specifically music critics have often brought up the nickname given by James Brown in subject matters that revolve around Usher to emphasise a strength, the following are a few examples. The Gaurdian have brought it up despite being outside the context relevancy saying "Usher's status among the greats is already assured: the late James Brown once called him the Godson of Soul." [1] WBUR-FM radio station speaking on Usher's 7th studio album, opening the discussion with "James Brown, the late Godfather of Soul, once crowned the pop singer Usher the Godson of Soul" in the beginning of the interview. [2] The music journalist Chris Nickson authored and published a book about Usher titled " Usher: The Godson of Soul " (ISBN: 9781416909224) [2] The nickname is also included in the majority of his Bio's, for example by Soul Train and TV.com. [3] Khaire Nuh (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

@Khaire Nuh: this is for third opinions, please let experienced editors comment. WP:CONS is important. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
@Cornerstonepicker: WP:CONS is important for disputes, but i have clearly provided reliable sources at your demand and request. Can you please explain, if there is, any further dispute you have that would require a third opinion? And why you made that request before my response?
Because you need Wikipedia:Consensus. You cannot post here and just go, "done it!" You need to get consensus here for your proposed change. I am still looking at your sources at the moment.--SabreBD (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Taylor Swift- Princess of Pop Music and Country[edit]

Swift is known for narrative songs about her personal experiences. As a songwriter, she has been honored by the Nashville Songwriters Association and the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Swift's other achievements include ten Grammy Awards, one Emmy Award, 22 Billboard Music Awards, 11 Country Music Association Awards, eight Academy of Country Music Awards, and one Brit Award. She is one of the best-selling artists of all time, having sold more than 40 million albums—including 27.1 million in the U.S.—and 130 million single downloads. The album's lead single, "Shake It Off", was released in August 2014 and reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100.[235] Four further singles have been released; "Blank Space" and "Bad Blood" (featuring Kendrick Lamar) both reached number one in the United States.[236] "Style"[237] and "Wildest Dreams" both peaked in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100.[238] 1989 sold 1,287,000 copies in the U.S. during the first week of release, selling more copies in its opening week than any album in the previous 12 years. This has made Swift the first and only act to have three albums sell more than one million copies in the opening release week.[239] It later became the best-selling album of 2014, selling 3.66 million copies.[240] As of February 2015, 1989 had sold over 8.6 million copies worldwide.[241] Madonna herself called her "Princess of Pop Music" Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). </ref> [4]> 103.16.25.117 (talk) 06:53, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

David Bowie[edit]

I noticed the absence of David Bowie from the page. This is despite him being widely known throughout music as the "King of Glam"[5] and "Master of Reinvention".[6] Surely there are no objections from adding these two nicknames to the page. SomewhereInLondon (talk) 15:41, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Queen/Princess of pop problem[edit]

It is obvious, but the use of "queen of pop" or "princess of pop" can be applied to several people. It just implies that that artist was most popular for a bit. Being known widely as THE Queen of Pop would be more worthy of note. That leaves two options, we could delete the many instances of this, since these are not really nicknames, or we can consider them all valid nicknames if they are used on repeated occasions and not worry about multiple use. Opinions welcome.--SabreBD (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Sabrebd, Just an instant research through Google, Madonna + Queen of Pop has 460,000 results, which is more than Michael Jackson + King of Pop with 421,000 results. Her other peers are Janet Jackson with 166,000 results, Mariah Carey with 121,000, Kylie Minogue with 63,200 results, Celine Dion with 59,200. I agree with you that almost every current popular female singers called Princess of Pop by the media, lol. Bluesatellite (talk) 09:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Blusatellite. Chrishonduras (talk) 01:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
General note: For google search, restrict to Google NEWS or Google BOOKS results, since the subject matter requires a high degree to scrutiny. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 19:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

King of Funk[edit]

Sad to see George Clinton get overlooked

Trying to find a good source Cashpash (talk) 03:29, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Selena Gomez: Pop Princess[edit]

Those are the references added by an editor in this article. Here's the problem, is Pop princess an honorific nickname, or is it The Princess of Pop? since the former is not talking about just one person. Every female artist with a hit has been called just 'pop princess' by the way, the latest Ariana Grande. Notice there's only one source (Billboard) calling her like that. I recommend collect other sources that call her Princess of Pop. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:45, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree. This is a perennial problem with this type of entry, it is not really a nickname, but usually just a way of saying "she has sold a lot of records and is quite young". However, it if is clearly attached to the person it would fit the criteria.--SabreBD (talk) 08:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Bo Diddley[edit]

This is missing one of the most important in rock 'n roll history – if there are two separate entries for dual claimants to The Architect, where is the section for The Originator? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.243.251 (talk) 19:13, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Katy Perry[edit]

Adding Katy Perry - Pop Queen or New Queen of Pop

- Billboard Back Issue Volume 125, Issue 38, 2013: Katy Perry - After Record-Setting Success And Personal Loss, The Pop Queen Roars Back To The Top - http://shop.billboard.com/products/billboard-back-issue-volume-125-issue-38

- Billboard Back Issue Volume 122, Issue 30, 2010: Katy Perry - Inside The Court of The New Queen of Pop. She kicked off her first album with a massive summer anthem and managed to top herself the second time around. - http://shop.billboard.com/collections/back-issues/products/billboard-back-issue-volume-122-issue-30

- Forbes, 2014 - Prices For Prismatic Tickets Could Cement Katy Perry As Queen Of Pop - http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2014/06/23/prices-for-prismatic-tickets-could-cement-katy-perry-as-queen-of-pop/#57a1e1203ac9


Alternatively, adding Katy Perry - Pop Princess

The wiki page already refers to artists such as Brandy, Taylor Swift, Gwen Stefani as 'pop princess'. Adding Katy Perry as 'pop princess' is long overdue. She has been referred to as 'pop princess' in popular media for almost a decade. Some examples:

- Vanity Fair, 2011: After a sheltered born-again childhood, Katy Perry turned herself into pop’s pantheistic princess - http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2011/06/katy-perry-full-201106

- The Hollywood Reporter, 2012: Katy Perry: Confessions of a Pop Princess - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/katy-perry-part-of-me-interview-339341

- ABC News, 2008: Pastors' Daughter Turns Pop Princess - http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WinterConcert/story?id=5256149&page=1

- NY Daily, 2015: Happy birthday Katy Perry: 10 little unknown facts about the Pop Princess - http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/10-facts-katy-perry-birthday-article-1.2408660

- USA Today, 2013: Pop Princess Katy Perry debuts Killer Queen - http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2013/05/03/pop-princess-katy-perry-debuts-killer-queen/2132343/


Ant361 (talk) 08:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)ant361

@Ant361: "Pop Princess" doesn't mean nothing. You are either The Princess of Pop or nothing. The other sources are teasing with the name. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
@Cornerstonepicker: If 'Pop Princess' means nothing, then why has it been used as a nickname for several other artists on the page (eg. Taylor Swift, Gwen Stefani, Brandy, Whitney Houston, etc.)? By that logic, it shouldn't be allowed for these artists, too. Ant361 (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Policy[edit]

Since this involves pop culture in general, shouldn't it be a policy of at least two major sources for a nickname? To guarantee the user is not only based on one source. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Prabhu deva[edit]

Prabhu Deva is know as indian michael jackson and called by so in every single indian media's and even introduced as indian mj to Michael Jackson during his India tour on 1996.i've added this here with enough sources atleat twice but it got deleted soon why so?? Akhiljaxxn (talk) 23:34, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn I'm not pretty sure for the case of the "Michael Jacksons". Is different case of Madonna for example, when (virtually) every national and worldwide singer is called "Madonna". Those examples came of several decades ago (and not only in the current or during the 2000s) and not for online sources, but academics and popular culture books and shows that is not only a nickname, is a "title". Chrishonduras (talk) 17:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Queen and King of Pop[edit]

As possible, I always try to explain my edits when I modify something in an article, like this. Because other artists also have been called "King of Pop" or especially the new female performers with "Queen of Pop". So, there is enough material that Madonna and Jackson are ofted called "Queen and King of Pop" and they invented the term. I think that the current version is more neutral because in the case of MJ is very confusing any other statement. Why? (references before Wikipedia):

Rosemarie Garland-Thomson said: "When Jackson, irked by the fact that "They call Elvis [Presley] the King," asked "Why don't they call me that?" he was ... Jackson countered with a campaign to cement his own sobriquet, "The King of Pop," in America's cultural consciousness".

Today US Program said: "In the year 1991, when MTV was still primarily known for playing music videos, a new album from an artist who helped define the channel in the ‘80s was being released. This album was going to be huge, and MTV kicked into high gear promoting its world premiere airing of the first single’s video. The album was called “Dangerous.” The single was called “Black or White.” And the artist? Well, he was suddenly called “The King of Pop".

In the case of Madonna are primarily yesteryear reference before Jackson. Like 1986 or 1987. But the problem is that other singer are also called "Queen of Pop" and the newest are also called "Madonna" even.

I'm not arguing about Michael Jackson. His nickname is very popular worldwide. I just said that is not neutral that we add him in the lead with the statements before my edition because are different (with reliable sources) history of the origin of his nickname. So, I think that now is more neutral. Chrishonduras (talk) 18:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Use of the word "invented" is out of context here because it implies they literally coined those phrases themselves, which is inaccurate. Gave it a slight rewording. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 18:44, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Bookkeeperoftheoccult. I wrote that Alan McGee said: Madonna and Michael Jackson invented the Queen and King of Pop, and took the ideas of rock'n'roll myth-making into the pop world. But your edition is better. I just want that this can be neutral. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 18:51, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2016[edit]

Courtney Love, queen of grunge[1] [2], goddess of grunge[3], demon diva[4], queen of alternative rock[5] [6], queen of feminism [7] 189.210.176.94 (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

References

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Dane2007 talk 01:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2016[edit]

Current: Whitney Houston United States Pop Princess [232] The Voice [233]

Please Add: Queen of Pop [234 - http://www.nytimes.com/1986/05/25/arts/whitney-houston-pop-s-new-queen.html]

             [235 - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pop-queen-whitney-houston-dies-at-age-48]
             [236 - http://www.hindustantimes.com/music/queen-of-pop-whitney-houston-dies-at-48/story-c1ZwPM3uSPkuXveisOKQwJ.html]

Prom Queen of Soul [237 - http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964980,00.html] Base.fan (talk) 05:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Two of the sources cited do not appear to use the phrase "Queen of Pop". The remaining sources cited do not support a relationship with the honorific beyond their mention in the title of the article.  B E C K Y S A Y L E 15:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Bruno Mars[edit]

http://www.bet.com/music/2016/11/18/bruno-mars-24k-magic-interview.html This source mentions him as 'The prince of pop'. I think it's not the same situation as we have with all female singers being called 'The princess of pop' or 'pop princess'. There are only two male artist considered as 'The prince of pop' - Justin Timberlake and now Bruno Mars so I personally think it's worth to include Bruno in this list. What do you think about this idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.29.116 (talk) 01:27, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Anybody here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.29.116 (talk) 23:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Images[edit]

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Closed as no consensus due to low participation and lack of substantiative arguments on how images should be treated or on standards for inlcusion/removal. This RfC should be re-formulated with more-definite options on image inclusion in-line with the Image Use Policy and particularly the display options described there. (non-admin closure) Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:27, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Was there previous consensus on the number of images that may accompany this article? At the rate it's going, the images may overwhelm the text. There is also the question of notability. It would be helpful to know the basis for deciding which musicians qualify to appear in the image gallery. As we all know, music is a subjective matter and tastes differ. Lastly, how should the images be placed? should they be in descending alphabetical order?DanJazzy (talk) 00:27, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the images. The names of the pop singers warrant their images also. Every name of the singer added to the article has properly sourced. Otherwise the page is protected, so only the experienced Wikipedians can edit the article. One thing is pertinent to remember that the editor who has generated this futile discussion has already got edit war warnings and after facing a set back at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, now he intends to resort to such tactics. Umair Aj (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Oh dear, I think you misunderstand what is happening here, Umair Aj, and what happened at the ANI thread. You were edit warring too, and you both could easily have been blocked for it. DanJazzy did not face a "setback" at ANI, he (and you) were told to discuss the content issue here. He is doing so. You need to stop with the ad hominem attacks and actually discuss the reasonable issue here, or I will block you from editing. Is that clearer? --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Floquenbeam, my dear you also misunderstood the point and stop accusing me of hominem attacks. I am just giving my part of the argument and not doing anything for which you are threatening to block me. Frankly speaking, I do not want to be dragged in this issue any more. By the way for the past twenty four hours, I am just minding my own business and I do not have the stigma of edit warring on me prior to that and your powers do not give you the right to belittle me. Is that clearer? Umair Aj (talk) 23:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Taking this to your talk page. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - at least the photographs aren't flowing into the References section, but I agree there are far too many. Having photos to the right of a table also disrupts how well the content wraps, and I believe unfairly highlights some artists as supposedly (and arbitrarily) more important than others. I also think the photos distract from the table content, which is the real value of the article. Yvarta (talk) 19:57, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your constructive comments Yvarta What do you suggest as the way forward? I'm foreseeing a scenario where editors arbitrarily add a photo of their favourite musician. Obviously, that won't work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanJazzy (talkcontribs) 20:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure. If it was up to me, I might recommend looking at some of the fancier multi-photo display formats on pages such as Pop_icon or Detroit, and then perhaps consider adding four to five photos into the top right of the page, completely separate from the tables. Perhaps an ongoing discussion could be opened to vote for which four best represent the "most" famous individuals on the page, in a way that is diverse enough not to simply further entrench systemic bias. I'm sure there would be other ways of going about it too, maybe considering a Gallery section approach, and allowing that to run larger if needed. Yvarta (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I think photographs are perfectly fine because the names in the article are well known and renowned ones and every name deserves a photo also. So we are no one to decide who is more famous. Moreover, article has only famous names and it's in the form of a list, so photographs actually don't harm the article. These all names are the names of legends and we have not got this right to categorize them. Every icon deserves his/ her photo also. Another thing to keep in mind is every photo has been uploded on commons and any picture not fulfilling the copy right criteria will be automatically deleted. So it's useless to be worried about it. We should leave the article in its present form. Regards Arjun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.8.163 (talk) 04:06, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello Arjun, you state "these all names are the names of legends and we have not got this right to categorize them," I assume insinuating we should not prioritize some as "extra" famous to pick a handful of photos, while others go without photos at all. And yet, you also say "every icon deserves his/ her photo also." Are you recommending that a photo column or gallery be added to the page, so every single entry can have a photo (if one is available)? I wonder, however, if this would draw attention away from the artists who aren't lucky enough to have a photo on the Commons that could be used. In short, while every biography on Wikipedia I agree does deserve a photograph or image, it might not be feasible. And if we do manage to find a photo of almost everyone on this list and include them all, I then worry about spacing and also load time for slower browsers. Yvarta (talk) 20:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello Yvarta, you have yourself supported my argument. I am also saying that those artists who have photos should not be messed up and those who don't, they are not sons of lesser God. My argument is simple that this article is comprised of names only and not lengthy paragraphs, so in this case the beauty of article in no way is going to harm. In my opinion it's a wastage of time and effort to wrap in more cognition for this article. This debate wouldn't have taken place for the first instance, if edit warring would have not been there. The editor who started this discussion was initially comfortable but when second editor jumped in, suddenly they found inappropriat photos in the article. So I think we must remain detached commentators and let us not spoil the beauty of it. Regards Arjun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.11.221 (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment Thank you IP user. In future, for transparency purposes, it is advised that you sign after your comments. For ease of reference the policy is WP:SIG or WP:SIGNATURE. Back to the matter at hand, Mr. "Arjun", you do note that there are approximately 250 musicians listed on this particular page. If every editor decides to include their favourite musician in the image gallery the whole article will be a mess. Valid questions would arise; for instance, why was the picture of Christina Aguilera included but not Elvis Presley, Robert Johnson or Nina Simone? Music tastes are subjective and vary from individual to individual, from society to society, etc. There needs to be objective criteria spelt out clearly to determine whose photographs should appear in a page like this; or alternatively do away with them all. There is precedence; the same arguments were advanced in [3] DanJazzy (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Remove images This list is way too long to include images of every performer. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2017[edit]

Under Jim Morrison his nicknames should include the following, "The Lizard King," & "Mr. Mojo Rising." Aleister Hanek (talk) 05:33, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:12, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Jennifer Lopez[edit]

Hi,

I think Jennifer Lopez should be placed in this source, known as the 'Queen of Dance', 'Queen of Latin' or 'Queen of Latin Pop'. She is known for doing a lot of music covering the genres of: Dance, Dance-Pop, Latin, Latin-Pop, Latin Dance and Hip-Hop. She has created numerous Hip-Hop No.1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 including the: 'I'm Real (Remix) ft. Ja Rule' and 'Ain't it funny (Remix) ft. Ja Rule'.

She is one of the top Latina artists on the planet today, and has had her own Spanish album, and had made a huge it, 'Que Hiciste'. Also, she is known for her huge Dance numbers, being able to dance great performances, see 'Get Right', 'Waiting For Tonight', 'If You Had My Love' and 'many more. This is what her genres revolve around and I hope you consider this by looking at some of her classic songs listen below and place her on this list.

Thanks 151.228.190.198 (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Sam Sailor 00:38, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2017[edit]

One that was missing was the Queen of Techno in South Korea known as Lee Jung-hyun. You can see this on her wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jung-hyun 155.201.34.12 (talk) 17:31, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Dane talk 21:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Adding Nazia Hassan[edit]

117.203.194.143 (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC) Respected Editor(s)

While I was reading the honourific Titles page of this site, I saw that you have missed Nazia Hassan in this list. You included Ahmed Rushdie and Noor Jehan from Pakistan but missed out Nazia Hassan (contributions in India and Pakistan) and considered the "Queen of Pop" in south Asia and Pioneer of Modern Pop in south Asia. Nazia Hassan "Queen of Pop" in the subcontinent, she is regarded as the pioneer of Modern Pop in South Asia and has sold over 60 million records worldwide, she was also engaged in philanthropic activities, and was appointed by UNICEF as its cultural ambassador in 1991. I tried editing the page myself but it was secured "against vandalism" hence couldn't do it. Please edit it and include her. Thank you

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2017[edit]

The row in the table containing Liza Minnelli is not aligned correctly and has the columns in the incorrect place. Shivhari Shankar (talk) 18:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Fix already made, cheers regardless IVORK Discuss 02:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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Prince - His Purple Majesty[edit]

I added The Artist Formerly Known as Prince, but not sure if I should add His Purple Majesty. [1]

References

  1. ^ Cezara, Anton. "Prince - His Purple Majesty". Historia. Retrieved 2 May 2017. Prince, His Purple Majesty, His Royal Badness, Jamie Starr, Alexander Nevermind, The Artist Formerly Known As Prince, The Symbol, Christopher Tracy. All of them are names or nicknames Prince Rogers Nelson chose for himself during his career which spawned more than three decades. 

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Eminem[edit]

He is regarded as the Greatest rapper of all time and should definitely be on this list as the "King of Hip-Hop". Jenevee (talk) 18:55, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2017[edit]

Jennifer Lopez - Queen of Dance / Hip-Hop 2A02:C7F:223C:7700:1C93:1B3E:503C:A497 (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Prince nicknames[edit]

There is a few nicknames given to prince such as His Purple Majesty, The Purple One, and His Royal Badness or as Steveie Wonder called him, the Emperor of Pop lol. Thought these should be added to the list.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Paulina Rubio is considerated the Queen Of Latin pop and madonna latina[edit]

The Mexican singer Paulina Rubio, is considered the queen of Latin pop according to international media like fox, cbs, and other international media, so is also considered the Latin madonna for being very similar to the queen of pop madonna

Below I put the links where they can search the information:

Paulina Rubio The Queen Of latin pop : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96qQjoSpfcc&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-y9JVaTny8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0DLg83o74o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9WtLbHeghw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5VgJ_iO2jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch5CtGsHpdM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG2U9wuMybQ&t=3s http://www.noticiasaldia.com.mx/notas.pl?n=98579&s=d http://www.universalmusica.com/paulina-rubio-la-reina-del-reventon-super-estrella/

Paulina Rubio The Madonna Latina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JcCaE2XYbk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0nDZjeOt7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTrBCrAEASg http://www.telemundo.com/entretenimiento/2015/09/15/paulina-rubio-es-la-nueva-madonna-latina?image=7162646 http://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/cultura/paulina-rubio-dice-que-es-un-orgullo-que-la-califiquen-como-la-madonna-latina/2001-09-09/105000.html


Can you put those nicknames please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juancarlos311985 (talkcontribs) 20:47, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Prince honorific names[edit]

Prince was often reffered to as His Royal Badness and The Purple One and The Artist and should be added. sources are cited. [1] [2]

Not done: Request is unsigned, therefore, I do not know who is making the request. Please sign your request using four tildes (~~~~) so we can identify who's making the request before reopening. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 16:19, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2017[edit]

Remove Aaliyah died Remianana (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Aaliyah's death does nothing to change whether she was known by the honorific nickname. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Wiley - Godfather of Grime[edit]

He's considered the person that started/invented grime as it is now, and should be added to this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Bennink (talkcontribs)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER 13:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

The accuracy of this article[edit]

I believe this article deserves {{Globalize}} or {{Disputed}} perhaps. A number of the nicknames rely on a report from media outlets considered reliable.. but the singer in question is not globally know as such. Giving some examples: "Adele is known as the Queen of Soul", "Miley Cyrus is known as Teen Queen", "Ariana Grande is know and Pop New Princess" Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2017[edit]

Artist: Whitney Houston; Title: "add Queen of Pop". Notes: Perone, Tim (February 12, 2012). "Queen of Pop Dead: Whitney Houston Only 48." New York Post. Retrieved August 7, 2017. http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/209008/slide_209008_686995_free.jpg

Please add this title, as many sources including CBS News, Hip-Hop Source and others have called her the Queen of Pop. She is the only artist to have 7 consecutive number one singles; has the most weeks at number one on the Billboard 200 album charts for a female artist; has the best selling soundtrack album of all time, etc.

Thank you. Base.fan00 (talk) 02:03, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Base.fan00 (talk) 02:03, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Done Though if any editor reverts this change, please explain here. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2017[edit]

Artist: Whitney Houston; Title: Queen of Pop; "add Source: Holden, Stephen. (May 25, 1986). The New York Times. "Whitney Houston - Pop's New Queen." http://www.nytimes.com/1986/05/25/arts/whitney-houston-pop-s-new-queen.html

Artist: Whitney Houston; "add Title: Prom Queen of Soul; add Source: Corliss, Richard. (July, 13, 1987). Time. "The Prom Queen of Soul-Whitney Houston is sleek, sexy, successful--and surprise, she can sing." http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964980,00.html

Please add additional source to Whitney Houston entry for title of Queen of Pop from The New York Times and also new title for Whitney Houston entry for "Prom Queen of Soul" from Time magazine.

Thank you,

Base.fan00 (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC) Base.fan00 (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Done Sorry to step on the toes of a WikiProject here, but I felt it necessary to include this away. Thank you Base.fan00 for this request. Please let us know if you find anything else, and you seem to be signing your request twice. Please don't sign inside your request, as the substitution signs for you. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:08, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2017[edit]

Artist: Whitney Houston; Title: Queen of Pop; "add Source: Lister, Linda (2001), "Divafication: The Deification of Modern Female Pop Stars", Popular Music and Society, 25 (3/4), p. 1, ISSN 0300-7766, "If Ella Fitzgerald is the queen of jazz, Billie Holiday first lady of the blues, and Aretha Franklin the queen of soul, then who is the queen of pop? In the 1990s, it would seem to be a three-way tie between Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, and Celine Dion. Certainly all three have their devotees and detractors, but their presence has been inescapable".

Please add this source to artist Whitney Houston as a source to title Queen of Pop.

Thank you. Base.fan00 (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Thanks for your efforts to improve the article. The entry already cites two reliable sources; it's not clear to me that another is needed. Further, the passage you quote suggests that Houston was in a three-way tie for the title, and not the clear title holder, and qualifies it by speaking only of the 1990s. I'm willing to be persuaded, but you haven't made a compelling case. RivertorchFIREWATER 01:19, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, this citation has been used by the other singers listed in the article-Carey, Dion. It is only fair if it is used for those two, to be used with Houston, as well. Also, not using so many sources would be fine, however some artists have 4 or 5 citations for each title. Please see Kylie Minogue, Lil Kim, Madonna, etc.

It is my hope you will reconsider and add this source to Whitney Houston's listing.

Thank you. Base.fan00 21:26, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Answer does not change per WP:OVERCITE. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:54, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2017[edit]

Artist: Whitney Houston; "add Title: Queen of the Grammys; Source: Greaves, Kayla. (February 10, 2017). Whitney Houston Will Always Be Queen of the Grammys. The Huffington Post Canada. Retrieved 10 August 2017. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/10/whitney-houston-grammys-_n_14682810.html

Please add title Queen of the Grammys to artist Whitney Houston listing.

Thank you, Base.fan00 (talk) 03:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC) Base.fan00 (talk) 03:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Unfortunately, we can't have too many honorific nicknames for one person. Thanks anyway for trying to help us. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 06:41, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the response. However, there are some artists with five and six honorific nicknames for one person. Please see Missy Elliot, Lil Kim, Kyle Minogue and Madonna, etc. It is my hope you will reconsider and list this last nickname requested above for Whitney Houston.

Thank you, Base.fan00 (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I read the Huffington Post Canada article, and the reason the writer called Houston the Queen of the Grammys title is (apparently) the number of Grammy Awards and nominations she has received: 7 wins and 18 nominations. So I asked Google what female has the most Grammy's. The answer is Alison Krauss with 27, followed by Beyoncé with 22 wins and 62 nominations. So why aren't they Queen of the Grammy's? It doesn't matter. I suspect that this article started as a lighthearted trivia question that has now grown out of control. Compare the length of the article, the amount of information, and the number of citations to other articles. It's not important enough to debate. The premise of the article is itself subjective and silly.
Vmavanti (talk) 23:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Not done: per Vmavanti. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)