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Pay and Expenses[edit]

shouldn't something be included on pay and expenses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Length of terms[edit]

The article states that a governments term cannot last longer than 5 years. Im sure my politics lecturer said that there is in fact no limit to how long a government may last considering the lack of a written constitution. Governments do generally dissolve after 5 years due to tradition dictating so and public pressure if a government was to last too long, but that there is in fact on written legislation which forces the government to end after 5 years and states that it would be illegal if it continued past 5 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

It is 5 years Under the Septennial Act 1715, as amended by Section 7 of the Parliament Act 1911, five years is fixed as the maximum duration for a Parliament —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

While both statements are actually true, Her Majesty however would more than likely prevent a law giving a 'long term' government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhinomatt (talkcontribs) 01:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

This article states "an early general election can be brought about only by ... a two-thirds majority in favour of a motion for a dissolution". However, the article on the Fixed-Term Parliament Act implies that only a simple majority vote is needed for dissolution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:25, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


A bit of questionable etymology in the main House of Commons article as well as Canadian House of Commons has gone uncited for a few months. See the talk pages for those articles. Perhaps someone who watches this article can shed some light on the question? PubliusFL (talk) 00:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I am finding it a little difficult to track down a definitive source, but as I understand it the name "Commons" derives from the Norman French "Communes". There is still some evidence for this today in the use of antiquated Norman French in some formal duties of the Parliament (such as use of the phrases Soit baillé aux Communes and A ceste Bille les Communes sont assentus).[1] However I do not feel that this evidence is strong enough for a reliable etymology. I will see what else I can dig out in the next few days. Road Wizard (talk) 00:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

John Lewis List[edit]

I had a look at the above article, and it seems to be 'orphaned'. Can someone with more time/expertise than me figure out an appropriate way to link to it from this page please? (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Not moved Sceptre (talk) 16:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

A few months ago, this article was moved from British House of Commons to House of Commons of the United Kingdom. Frankly, unless we're going to split the article up (which I see little reason to do) the present name is a bit of a howler. Clearly, House of Commons needs to be qualified, as there have been several others, but this article (rightly, it seems to me) covers the whole history of the Westminster House of Commons as a unified whole, and most of that history was during the periods of the Parliament of England and the Parliament of Great Britain, long before there was a United Kingdom. The greatest unifying strand I see through nearly seven hundred years is that the seat of the House has stayed at Westminster, even if it has sometimes met elsewhere. My suggestion is a move to House of Commons (Westminster) House of Commons, Westminster, but of course we need an open discussion on any possible names. Xn4 (talk) 01:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - I would see it left at House of Commons of the United Kingdom. British House of Commons excludes Northern Ireland, whilst both of these names are intended to fall under the Istanbul logic outlined above - rst20xx (talk) 01:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. "House of Commons, Westminster" makes it sound like a geographical rather than a political entity, and will reinforce the erroneous idea that the Palace of Westminster _is_ "The Houses of Parliament", rather than the building in which they meet. The current title may be anachronistic, but it's not actively inaccurate. If the move is supported, I would prefer the original suggestion (House of Commons (Westminster)), or possibly Westminster House of Commons, rather than the form with the comma. (talk) 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Military coup[edit]

"Pride's Purge was indeed the only military coup in English history." This needs a citation with the expert making the claim in the text, because it can be argued that there have been at least two others:

Both of these events involved the forcible closure of a Parliament by soldiers, with soldiers appointing an alternative government. --PBS (talk) 09:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I feel like the lack of a picture of the door is a glaring oversight in this article. Take a page out of the Australian article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

New file File:House of Lords and House of Commons during King Charles I's reign, circa 1640-1642 from NPG.jpg[edit]

House of Lords and House of Commons during King Charles I's reign, circa 1640-1642 from NPG.jpg

Recently the file File:House of Lords and House of Commons during King Charles I's reign, circa 1640-1642 from NPG.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 23:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


The article mentions the "Post-1941 chamber" being used in two films and mentioned in a Robin Williams stand-up sketch. I presume this means a real chamber located in a building somewhere that was used by the Commons post-1941 (until 1950?) because of the London Blitz, but the article mentions nothing about this. And why was this chamber in particular, rather than the actual one, referred to in the stand-up sketch (or was it a photo of it)?-- (talk) 21:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Old Sarum[edit]

I see two conflicting numbers for the number of voters in Old Sarum in this article it says:

The most notorious of these "rotten boroughs" were Old Sarum, which had only six voters for two MPs

While on the Old Sarum article it says:

In 1831 it had eleven voters, all of whom were landowners who lived elsewhere.

So, which is right? Youknowyouloveit (talk) 16:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


Why is the infobox coloured green? Shouldn't it be a British colour? (talk) 20:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Because the colour traditionally associated with the House is green, hence benches are green, covers of hansard green etc. The Lords incidentally are associated with the colur red. - Chrism would like to hear from you 15:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Splitting at 1707[edit]

Ground Zero and I have been thinking that it would be a good idea to have a separate article for the pre-1707 House of Commons. As Ground Zero points out, we have a series of articles for the Parliament of England, Parliament of Great Britain and Parliament of the United Kingdom. I have also commented that the title of this article (which is fine from 1707 onwards) can be misleading when linked to articles which are to do with the Parliament of England and its members. Sooner or later, this article will become too large for a single page, in any event. Moonraker2 (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Why 1808 and not 1801? Road Wizard (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Of course, you're right. Sorry. Ground Zero | t 20:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I have no objections if you don't mind doing the work, but out of curiosity why split at 1801 (addition of Ireland) and avoid splitting at 1922 (formation of the Irish Free State)? Road Wizard (talk) 20:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Naming convention: both before and after, the House of Commons would be the "House of Commons of the United Kingdom", and because it would follow the model of the Parliament articles. Moonraker2 has offered to help, and any further assistance in fixing the links would be appreciated. Ground Zero | t 21:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I'm happy to help with the work, including directing links from other articles, which would take some time. Moonraker2 (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Split completed[edit]

We now have new articles for:

Both articles need some cleaning up, and particularly the second one need expansion. Also, help would be greatly appreciated in checking the links to House of Commons of the United Kingdom to change them where appropriate to direct the reader tot he correct article. Thanks. Ground Zero | t 19:53, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Good split BritishWatcher (talk) 20:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, good split. I'll see what I can do to help, and I'll also do some work on the links today. Moonraker2 (talk) 14:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I've fixed quite a few of the problem links. Interesting how splitting this article showed up how little we had on House of Commons of Great Britain. I've done some work on that, but it's only a beginning. Moonraker2 (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, your changes are a big improvement. Thanks and keep up the great work! Ground Zero | t 01:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

number of MPs[edit]

The article says there are 650 MPs but if you add up the numbers for England (529), Wales (40), Scotland (59) and Northern Ireland (18) you get only 646 MPs . So, are there only 646 or where do the other 4 MPs come from? Martinwilke1980 (talk) 08:24, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

There were 646 for the previous parliament, its been increased as of the election. - Chrism would like to hear from you 10:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Seating diagrams from Commons[edit]

divided areas and without legend

Please note I have uploaded this latest version of the seating diagram File:Election2010Parliament.png to Commons as File:Election2010Parliament divided.png. This earlier version with more space between the main parties was already uploaded as Commons:File:Election2010Parliament.png. No change should be evident on the article page.

I did this to provide a choice of versions to other Wikimedia projects. See Commons:United Kingdom general election, 2010.

I also feel it would be useful to have yet more versions, but each one with its own file name to avoid confusion and unnecessary reverting, and also preferably on Commons. -84user (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't be producing such diagrams until we know what the government will look like. This version implies a Con-Lib coalition; some of the others imply a Con minority government. Plus, it should be SVG rather than PNG. Wereon (talk) 17:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Back in 2005, a diagram was created immediately, although it was only a placeholder diagram. I decided that as all of the votes are in, apart from Thirsk and Malton, that a diagram, similar to those of previous elections could then be used. The original, that I created, demonstrated things in the more traditional way. Election2010Parliament divided.png was the original. I was wandering on opinion, over which is more appropriate. The traditional, House of Commons layout or the box method of Anthony717. It is only a png for now, but I am in the process of making a parliament style layout in svg - it is very tedious. 95jb14 Talk, Founder of WikiProject Latin. 19:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC).
Cámara de los Comunes Reino Unido 2010.svg
How do you feel in replacing the existing diagram with this one? 14:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dove (talkcontribs)
The House of Commons doesn't sit in an amphitheatre; they sit in a linear chamber with the government on one side and the opposition on the other. As such it makes no sense to set them out in a semicircular diagram. Happymelon 10:51, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I know the Commons isn't a semi-circle. But this is a very attractive diagram and useful like a pie-chart. And it's not that intrusive. (My two cents anyway) Iota (talk) 15:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Technical question about parliament[edit]

I wonder can someone knowledgeable clear something up for me? The House of Commons that was just elected has met and chosen the Speaker on 18 May, members began being sworn in on 19 May and today, on 25 May, is the State Opening of Parliament.

  • So on what date was parliament reconvened: the 18th or the 25th?
  • And how can the Commons have elected a Speaker when its members had no yet taken the Oath of Allegiance and therefore hadn't taken up their seats?

Iota (talk) 15:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

(1) 18th (2) The law allows for members to elect a speaker before taking the Oath. This is the only business they may consider before doing so. - Chrism would like to hear from you 15:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:Crowned Portcullis.svg[edit]

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Vacant Seats[edit]

A vacant seat should be added for Inverclyde until the by-election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Property requirements[edit]

Since when have there been no more property requirements? And since when have all women been allowed to vote? --Chricho ∀ (talk) 00:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean property requirements to vote, or property requirements to be an MP? As for women, they were placed on an equal footing with men by the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act 1928. Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 10:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC).
For voting, but requirements to be an MP would be interesting, too. When talking about the progress it seems to be important to mention this date. --Chricho ∀ (talk) 12:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Title - "the Honourable Commons .. assembled"[edit]

This edit restored a recently removed claim about what the full title of the place is. However, the reference being relied on for this is a guide to petitions, which simply says that lengthy construction is the form of address to be used when petitioning (and the "traditional" one at that, with a modern alternative given). That's not the same thing as full title, although a similar construction (without "the Honourable") does seem to be also used when the House addresses the queen. I know this is a little pedantic, but we are in the realm of the arcane and it should be correct one way or the other. Without a source that explicitly asserts this is the correct, formal title of the institution, I'm not sure we should be asserting that it is. N-HH talk/edits 16:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

And now we have someone reverting it back in again, while ignoring this talk page section, and marking their edit as "minor". Please address the issue and the problem - a formal, archaic reference and mode of address is not the same thing as a formal title or name. And one or two cited apparent examples of use of said mode of address is not evidence of anything. N-HH talk/edits 09:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Although it should not be up to me to "disprove" the status of this phrase, I have done some more digging around. It does not appear to be used other than in the context of petitions to the Commons - a minor aspect of the House's business and one where it is, as noted, in any event only one alternative form of address. It is not used at all by MPs, in the chamber, in bills, rulebooks or other official documents, or on parliament's website - outside the context of petitions - when referring to or describing the House of Commons. It is not noted as a formal, official name in any academic history or study of Parliament, at least any available through Google Books. To the extent that it appears on one or two random websites, it is likely that people have picked up on it because of its prominence on this very page - all the more reason that we get it right. If someone can present serious evidence for the phrase, fine. Without that, it really should not be this complicated. It's ridiculous that this has seen one party edit-warring without clear evidence or engagement and at the same time the need for another, ie me, to have to offer this kind of one-sided (p)rebuttal posting on a talk-page. N-HH talk/edits 11:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Move from "House of Commons of the United Kingdom" to "House of Commons (United Kingdom)"[edit]

I propose to revert this move from two reasons:

  1. The name of this prominent article has been discussed on several occasions, and on the last one, the "House of Commons of the United Kingdom" was selected by those involved in the discussion. This move was undertaken with no discussion, and with no explanation provided. It appears to be the personal preference of one user over that of the community.
  2. "House of Commons of the United Kingdom" is a phrase that can be correctly linked in an article without piping. The link "House of Commons (United Kingdom)" will always have to be piped to avoid awkward sentence structure.

Ground Zero | t 15:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think I prefer the new title as it's the more usual actual name but with the parenthetical note to distinguish it from others (there's a wider debate about primary topic and possibly some wider tidying up needed - currently we have the generic House of Commons page, as well as a disambiguation page, which may not be the best way to deal with this. The only two real contenders for primary topic are this page and the modern Canadian Commons, surely). That said, the points above are fair, plus the user who moved it seems to be sweeping through hundreds of parliament/assembly pages making moves without any proposals or discussion. I'd be fine with reverting in the absence of agreement. N-HH talk/edits 16:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Expenses scandal[edit]

I don't think this minutia has any place in this article. It was really just a relatively minor thing blow up by the media. There are no other "scandals" or similar events in the article. The scandal entry was added right in the middle of it happening. It seems to have little merit in the article today. I propose that it is removed. Alternatively, I propose that every semi-significant scandal of the last 100 years be added.

Adamathefrog (talk) 00:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I think the fact that the issue as a whole was blown up by the media (or "extensively covered" if one prefers that formulation) counts for something in itself. There's only the briefest mention at the moment, in the history section, which to me seems to be worth retaining and even to be, if anything, a little perfunctory – even regardless of any media hype, it is part of the recorded history of the place after all and was seen to reflect on the institution. What I find more undue is the tendency there has been to add trivial details of their personal expenses claims to several individual MP pages, even those who were not found to have done anything properly wrong, eg here – where there's even a dedicated sub-section for his purchase of light bulbs – and here. N-HH talk/edits 11:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

The word communes[edit]

  • Although popularly considered to refer to the fact its members are "commoners", the actual name of the House of Commons comes from the fact it represented communities (communes).

There should (possibly) be a link for the word communes, but not communes, because that links to sth. like “most communes of the '90s are not free-love refuges for flower children”. Better communes (municipality). -- (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Country by Country breakdown Missing relevant image[edit]

What this article should also have is a visual breakdown of how many MPs currently represent England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland (with a different colour for each). Can someone do this, please? -MacRùsgail (talk) 11:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


If Carswell has resigned as an MP, UKIP shouldn't be listed as having a seat. It should be listed as vacant until the by-election occurs. RobDR (talk) 19:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Party numbers[edit]

Currently, the breakdown of seats by party in the infobox lists four "Speaker and Deputies". This means that the three Deputy Speakers (2 Labour, 1 Conservative) need to not be counted in the party totals, and that the Conservative and Labour numbers will differ from those at [2]. It periodically happens that either the numbers or the diagram are updated without taking this into account, so that three MPs get counted twice and the total number of seats doesn't add up to 650. Might it be less confusing and less conducive to errors if we simply included the deputies in their respective party totals, as on the list, rather than grouping them together with the Speaker and having to adjust the numbers to compensate? Alkari (?), 13 October 2014, 22:31 UTC

Current seating plan[edit]

The current seating plan is a fine one but it isn't symetrical (it is difficult to visualise the difference between both sides when it is chopped off on the bottom right). I've tried many times to render it symetrically and this is my latest attempt. Here they are side by side:

House of Commons current.svg   House of commons mock.png

I can easily conver the rounded squares to the square format as is currently used. Ive added the same to the house of lords talk page.

Any comments? Shabidoo Shabidoo | Talk 03:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

The new one makes it less apparent that the government majority exists, as there's only one lines difference between the two, so they appear to look almost the same size. To that extent, I think it's less visually useful and slightly deceptive for readers. To that extent, I prefer the old one, though I actually do like the rounded squares. - Chrism would like to hear from you 16:59, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes you are right. Actually a user who critiqued my image on the commons file also mentioned something similar though she noted that with the crossbench huddled together it makes the opposition look too large. I'm not sure now if squares or circles are better. I'll make a mock-up with the crossbench on the right side and see what you think Shabidoo | Talk 05:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Parties with equal representation[edit]

I think we should make it clear which order we should organise parties that have equal numbers of seats in the House of Commons. I would suggest that as they have more overall national support and interest the Liberal Democrats come before the DUP, Plaid Cymru comes before the SDLP, and UKIP comes before the Greens. JackWilfred (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

The Seat Diagram[edit]

Why does it keep changing? I much prefer 'File:House of Commons current.svg' due to continuity and I personally think it is clearest/most distinguishable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakatbroughshane (talkcontribs) 15:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


Huge chunks of this article are uncited. I have added a refimprove tag. Only 16 references is very few. Myrvin (talk) 18:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


Mr. Burke,

I feel you should concede to the popular.

I feel you are not of the standing.


THE ASG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:45, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Blacked-out seating chart?[edit]

Why is the seating chart blacked out? Wouldn't the article be more helpful if it displayed the party standings prior to the election. and then be replaced by a chart showing the standings after tomorrow's election? Circumspect (talk) 10:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Changing the seating plan[edit]

I'm sure it would be well received if we just agreed on a layout for the seating plan rather than changing it all the time Qaei 21:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

1. UK House of Commons 2017.svg 
2. House-of-Commons.svg 
3. House of Commons current.svg 
Agreed, here are the three diagrams I've seen used so far, with the first one being my own. I take an extreme dislike to option 2 as it isn't a vector, and my disagreements with 3 is its omission of Sinn Fein and the implication that there is a 'crossbench' that the DUP sit on, when the DUP sit on the Speaker's left with the Opposition. I have attempted to make the diagram as clear as possible, seperating the official opposition, other opposition parties and the confidence and supply party, and making Sinn Fein white with a dark green border to differentiate from Plaid Cymru and signify its abstention, rather than omit them completely. JackWilfred (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Updated as 2 has been updated into svg form. I personally disagree with Lady Hermon being identified as an independent unionist. She is listed as an independent everywhere else, with Claire Sugden, her closest equivalent on the Northern Irish Assembly, also listed as an independent. JackWilfred (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I think that it would make it much clearer to list her as an 'Independent Unionist' as it will distinguish her from those MPs who over the course of the Parliament may lose their affiliation with a party and thus become an 'Independent' such as Douglas Carswell in the last parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theowrig (talkcontribs) 18:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
But the same happened in the 2011-16 session of the Northern Irish Assembly. Members became independents and were classed together. JackWilfred (talk) 19:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I have created a new version of the diagram which I believe is a suitable compromise to the various disputes. The official opposition and the other opposition parties have been put together into one group. Lady Hermon will remain designated as an independent unionist, but with a less bright template colour. The DUP will be moved to the Speaker's left to represent where they sit in the Commons, but will be put seperate from the opposition parties to represent their status. I've put it under the name 'UK House of Commons 2017.svg' as I believe that is more descriptive. JackWilfred (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I think that is a suitable compromise in terms of the diagram, I feel that will make it clearer. However the colour change now means that the colour for an 'Independent Unionist' is different just on this page, and so does not match the page for the North Down constituency and others. Theowrig (talk) 20:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
It's a template, it will update on those pages soon. JackWilfred (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I believe the precedent for election results is to use the description on the ballot paper, though; see Richmond Park by-election, 2016, where Goldsmith was blatantly running as an Independent Conservative (and, indeed, won last week under the Tory banner), but we went with Independent because that's what the ballot paper said. Sceptre (talk) 22:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, unfortunately I think that we're going to have to change back all the 'Independent Unionist' mentions in Wikipedia to just 'Independent'. The designation 'Unionist' is used for specific purposes in the Northern Ireland Assembly, and does not exist in an official capacity at Westminster. While it may be a clearer description, we at Wikipedia have no mandate to change it from anything other than 'Independent'. RedvBlue 23:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

October 2017 changes[edit]

Hey all, I just wanted to get a bit more feedback on the minor changes I made to the diagram:

  • I've moved the Deputy Speakers to the Speaker's column, as they invariably do not sit on either bench upon election and only ever sit in the chair.
  • I've moved O'Mara and Morris to their prior groupings and shaded them in the "Independent Labour/Conservative" colours; typically, MPs who have had the whip withdrawn, as opposed to have left the party, still continue to sit with their former parliamentary party.
  • I've also changed the colour of the Lords Spiritual in House of Lords to ecclesiastical purple. Sceptre (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed this late, but I've decided to change it back to the simpler version we've been working with earlier.
I don't think Conservatives and Labour MPs with the whip withdrawn should be classed as anything other than 'Independent', as that's what they are according to the UK Parliament website. The whole idea of withdrawing the whip is that they're kicked out of the party group, and hence the Government or Official Opposition.
I also have moved the Deputy Speakers back to where they were. I don't feel as strongly about this, but I feel the diagram should be a simple head count, not a perfectly accurate diagram of how the Commons works. JackWilfred (talk) 14:13, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

427 seats[edit]

An oft quoted number of the physical seats in the chamber is said to be 427. Does anyone know where this number originates? This transcript, by Sir Robert Rogers, then Clerk of the House of Commons and Chief Executive, casts doubt on that number. Specifically: "it’s got be an average or a finger in the wind estimate..." . I am very aware that the number of physical seats is far less than the number of MPs, but remain sceptical that such a specific figure can be given. I am happy to be proven wrong! Greg (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Numbers only add up to 649 MPs[edit]

Not sure why - should there be another independent - there is only 649 seats counted for the current makeup. London prophet (talk) 17:30, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Are you including Speaker in your count? I missed him first time checking. OZOO (t) (c) 17:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Public galleries[edit]

Where are they and how large? This source gives some information. I think they should be mentioned. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:47, 23 November 2017 (UTC)