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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the cover of Houses of the Holy was designed by Hipgnosis and based on photographs taken at the Giant's Causeway?

Cover[edit]

I removed the sentence "The psychedelic colours were not actually intended by Jimmy Page, they were the result of a printing error too late to avert before the album's release." that seems to be an urban legend (there's no "printing error" that would produce this effect). I'm also removing for now the mention of Jimmy Page "disliking the cover". If anyone has an authoritative source, please provide. RodC 23:41, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Lady[edit]

What about the song "Hey Lady"? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 21:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No such song exists. Vonbontee (talk) 15:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The one where he's like dun nun dun nun nun... hey lady... dun nununnnn... something like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.186.164 (talk) 02:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Hey lady, you've got the love I need, Maybe more than enough..." That song is "Over the Hills and Far Away"...what of it? Cheers! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Receiving mixed to negative reviews upon its release, 'Houses of the Holy' is considered[who?] to be one of Led Zeppelin's weaker albums"[edit]

Cite this. Who says it's one of the band's weakest? This seems to be a highly subjective statement. I'm no fan of Robert Christgau, but he did give the album an A grade on his music site. And as you state, Rolling Stone named Houses of the Holy as one of the top 500 albums of all-time. Personally, I like Houses of the Holy better than any other LZ disc. And many of the cuts have gotten plenty of airplay over the years. After all, the album did go to #1 in the U.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwoodw1 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Considered by who? That's utter nonsense. In fact, it is probably their finest album, with the only weak song being the filler on the 1st side "The Crunge". This was the only song by the way, of the eight on the album, that did not make Jimmy's 90's, 4 CD, collection of the finest Zeppelin songs. With the fourth album, one of the band members said "nobody will compare us to Black Sabbath again"... yet with this, their fifth album, Led Zeppelin emerges here as a great leader in progressive hard rock. It is not far from a perfect album. (John G. Lewis (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Btw. A note on the title track "Houses of the Holy". This appeared on Zeppelin's 6th album, Physical Graffiti, due to concerns that it sounded too similar to other tracks on the album of the same name. I think there is truth in this; but I also consider it unfortunate that it was not so worked in... because of the weakness of "The Crunge". "Houses of the Holy" is quite a classic Zeppelin song, very high quality material, and one of their finest. (...) And a note concerning "filler" songs: Zeppelin always should have done a better job at this than they did... Eventually, they would: for their eighth and final studio album, "In Through The Outdoor", the first side filler "Hot Dog" was a fun song, fitting in smoothly with the others on the disc. (John G. Lewis (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Genres[edit]

While during the timeperiod 70s-80s Hard Rock and Heavy Metal were seen mostly as the same thing, nowadays the two mean very different things. Many of the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal bands from the 70s and 80s have had an incredible impact and influence on modern metal, while other bands, Led Zeppelin being one of them, did not serve as a major contributor to metal and contributed more to simple rock. I would consider removing Heavy Metal as a genre for this album, any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.137.240 (talk) 19:27, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think this album is not Heavy Metal. It is predominantly Rock/Hard Rock. I think saying Hard Rock is stretching it slightly. Can I change it to Rock, Hard Rock — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmypagestar (talk • contribs) 13:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I too am for removing Heavy Metal from the genres. This album isn't really that heavy, the only marginally hard songs are the first and last. It should be Hard Rock and Rock, since it has different types of rock not just hard (The Crunge funk, Dyer Maker raggae, No Quarter psychadelic, Over the Hills and Far Away folk). 108.81.33.59 (talk) 22:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Rain Song is also progressive so yeah remove the heavy metal. Progggy (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Most famous songs" ????[edit]

Four songs mentioned in the lead as "some of LZ most famous songs" ???? Sorry, but that is an unsourced and untrue (or even ridiculous) assumption. If these songs are really so famous, why was NONE of these songs played at their acclaimed 2007 reunion concert in the O2 arena??? 81.83.143.52 (talk) 01:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not a song appears on a set list at a particular show is probably the most inaccurate way I have ever heard to guage the notability of a particular song. But I guess it works here because I agree, in that I wouldn't characterize the tracks as "some of their most famous songs", and I support your removal of that statement from the article. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 02:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your support. I agree of course that the notability criterium I mentioned is not universally valid, but I too think it works in this case because the show in question was a unique, one-of event (which I happened to be watching on Blu-ray) of which Robert Plant has said that the band were determined "to stand up and be counted" (after their shambolic reunion performance at Live Aid 85). I guess playing your most famous songs is one aspect of realizing that goal. Best regards. 81.83.143.52 (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? They played the opening track at the concert, as well as "No Quarter". Do some research before spewing nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osXV94xe2pU 108.81.33.59 (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Recordings[edit]

  • Comment & change - The liner notes of the 2014 Super Deluxe Boxed Set 72 page booklet, which I have all of, states a very different recording date and location. I have been updating this information on ALL of the albums. If you do not posses these items, as I do, then I respectfully suggest that my AMENDMENT, not change but correction, be acceptable to those that have had any input into this album by LZ. I will also continue my request for debate on the genre issues the band has, as they were a Blues band from the mid-late 60s London scene. Nuro msg me 02:12, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Further Comment & Great Concern - There is also an incorrect section on the recordings that has used a Book Reference source materiel which is different from the Official Liner notes, that I will wait a while for the persons involved to correct, as it is a matter of correcting incorrect information on this article. Nuro msg me 02:21, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further more there is other book material that is not a Website ref that is contradictory to the official liner notes on the reissued 2014 super boxed set, in that there is no mention of using Electric Ladyland Studios at any point. Nuro msg me 02:24, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nuro Dragonfly How are the readers of our fine Encyclopedia able to verify liner notes that you have ? You need to include proper citations with ALL your new changes. Mlpearc (open channel) 03:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I am working on that, as I've been recreating my music collection an a new PC, and been doing three things at once with all this, but I will be sourcing book references, like others have used, as my missus thinks that is an acceptable form of a source? it is in Academia anyway apparently. Nuro msg me 03:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Errors - OK, going by the cited ref I have been using to amend the recording and release of the LZ albums, the mention to Stargroves cottage is in error compared to the liner notes, and I have amended it accordingly. I haven't changed the already written words other than to say Hampshire, as their is now ref to what was written in the official reissue. I have left the other source material for ref. If this is contentions, I'm happy to debate it, as I'm not from the South of England, and the use of County specifics is a locals prerogative I suppose, but what was written wasn't representative of the updated 2014, quite extensive (70+ pages) liner notes. Nuro msg me 05:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Guitars on "The Song Remains the Same"[edit]

The article currently states the studio version of "The Song Remains The Same" features a Rickenbacker 12-string and a Fender Telecaster. This comes from Dave Lewis' Led Zeppelin - A Celebration, p. 53, which states "in the studio, he overdubs on Telecaster, and a Rickenbacker 12-string". However, an IP keeps trying to change it to a Fender 12 string (presumably the Fender Electric XII; although that article says Page played it on "Stairway to Heaven" although that is unsourced and contradicted by Lewis). The IP hasn't supplied a source other than just repeating "Jimmy Page: The Anthology" (Is that a book? A CD? What's the ISBN or catalogue number?). Per the verification policy, if you think is something is sourced but wrong, the burden is on you to adequately supply the evidence In particular, changing the guitars while leaving it cited to Lewis is disruptive, as you leave the article in a state where a sentence fails verification, and Led Zeppelin has many books that are completely unreliable and should never be used as sources in Wikipedia, ever (eg: anything by Richard Cole). @Ojorojo:, have you got any other sources? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Anthology sounds like one of the many gray-market compilations of Page's early session output and without knowing the author (sleeve notes?) shouldn't be considered a RS. I looked through my sources and couldn't find anything, but there is this in Tolinski's (editor-in-chief of Guitar World) Page bio: "1965 Fender Electric XII: So if Jimmy didn't use the Gibson double-neck in the studio, what twelve-string electric did he use for songs like ... 'The Song Remains the Same'? According to Page, his guitar of choice was a sunburst Fender Electric XII, which he acquired while he was in the Yardbirds."[1] But there's a reprinted interview with Guitar Player from 1977: "Is there an electric 12-string on “Thank You” ('Led Zeppelin')?" JP: "Yes. I think it’s a Fender or Rickenbacker."[2] I suppose either is possible – the guitar tracks are heavily EQed, so it's hard to tell. Maybe just include "12-string electric" and add Rickenbacker and Fender as a footnote. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here] is an interview from engineer Andy Johns on the previous album, who says "Jimmy was always running his 12-string Rickenbacker through a box, which is a good sound. But if you do it direct and compress it, you get a much more bell-like quality. So I suggested we try that and he really liked it." Anyway, it looks like we'll have to reduce it down to just a "electric 12 string" as nobody seems to be sure, unless we know why Dave Lewis believes it's a Rickenbacker. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:21, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall other sources that the 12 string on Stairway is a Rick. The DI and compressor is an explanation for McGuinn's early sound, but the guitar on Stairway doesn't chime, IMO. Page isn't normally associated with Rickenbacker and I don't remember any photos of him playing one (there are several with the Fender and a tear drop Vox), which may be why some want to change it. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Song for Dona" song title- what happened to it?[edit]

in their first release of this album, on vinyl of course, i recall a subtitle under one of the songs, or a title, it said " song for dona". then it disappeared and was changed for subsequent releases. Any info on this, which song was it on? And what happened to it and why did it get removed after that? Anyone? this has mystified me for decades. It would also be very rare and collectible i think. Meat Eating Orchid (talk) 03:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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