Talk:Hunter Biden

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Q: Why does this article call the recent allegations "discredited"?
A: Please see Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory and the discussion at its talk page.

Not WP:LOWPROFILE—high time to stop tendentious censorship[edit]

Given his numerous interviews, use of PR, employment of lawyers, and all the rest, claims that Hunter Biden was WP:LOWPROFILE were always tendentious and sullied by the stench of political bias. Now that he's publishing his memoirwhich he's been writing for years and which has earned advance praise from Stephen King and other top writers—it's obvious that, at least when it's served his purposes, Hunter Biden has been an eager public figure for a long time. Time to stop pussyfooting around, and a good start would be including his failure to pay child support and other issues that have been censored. Elle Kpyros (talk) 19:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Ekpyros, that RfC that you linked to closed as consensus to not include six weeks ago. Time to drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:53, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
@Ekpyros:, only a single user, "IHateAccounts", used WP:LOWPROFILE as an argument against inclusion, and that user has now been blocked as a sock. Why are you cherry-picking one bad argument from one bad user? The rest of the opposition cites issues of undue weight, triviality, and the non-encyclopedic nature of the material in question. ValarianB (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: I am in agreement with Elle Kpyros, regarding the matter of WP:LOWPROFILE and Hunter Biden. His autobiography, "The Beautiful Thing" will be due out in May 2021 and has been trumpeted by the press since February 4, 2021. It is pushing anti-WP:NPOV to suggest that a banned account's objections should be sufficient to PREVENT us from remediating the flagrant political bias evidenced in this BLP article.--FeralOink (talk) 09:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
@Ekpyros: - Support - immediate addition of the child support stuff. NickCT (talk) 16:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2021[edit]

2600:1700:A9D1:9AB0:2475:78AA:6F2E:186D (talk) 05:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

I love that the sources used are all from CNN. The most biased network on television. Fake journalism with an agenda.

WP:RSP#CNN: "There is consensus that news broadcast or published by CNN is generally reliable." If you would like to begin a discussion to reevaluate consensus, this is not the place. GorillaWarfare (talk) 05:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia's own standards require that major viewpoints are discussed in a balanced manner, but the editors of these locked politically sensitive pages suppress conservative viewpoints. (The United States is roughly evenly split between liberals and conservatives.)67.243.144.101 (talk) 21:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

If you have any conservative reliable sources with viewpoints that are not being properly represented in this article, feel free to provide them for discussion. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Per policy we base articles on reliable sources. Almost all major news media in the U.S. are "liberal." Most of the conservative news media (Fox News, Washington Times, New York Post) are considered less than reliable. While I disagree with the assessments, it would make little difference if we accepted them, because they represent a very small segment of the media overall. And note that facts should be the same whatever the political orientation of the publication. TFD (talk) 03:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

hunter biden laptop pictures[edit]

why doesn't this page include any discussion of the Hunter Biden "laptop from hell"

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.243.144.101 (talk) 21:13, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:RSP#New York Post GorillaWarfare (talk) 21:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Secret Service intervention, lying on gun form about drug addiction, etc.[edit]

Should probably be mentioned: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/25/sources-secret-service-inserted-itself-into-case-of-hunter-bidens-gun-477879 Terrorist96 (talk) 05:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Since it said the incident didn’t lead to any charges or arrests there’s really nothing to put here. Trillfendi (talk) 06:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
No evidence he was lying about current drug use. -- Valjean (talk) 06:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Agree with @Terrorist96: this is a widely covered story, and the claim that the allegations, responses, and investigations aren't WP:DUE because it hasn't led to "charges or arrests" is an odd one—Wikipedia articles frequently refer to allegations of illegality that haven't led to formal charges. Ditto for the claim that there's "no evidence he was lying about current drug use". First, that's not true—given Biden's admission that he is and has was a drug addict prior and subsequent to 2018, there's at least a credible possibility that he committed a federal crime. Moreover, that issue is far from the sole focus of the coverage by RS. The White House has seen fit to push back on claims of Secret Service interference—even as Hunter Biden's own text messages appear to confirm the involvement of their agents. And there is now a government investigation of the episode and subsequent fallout. There is a real mystery here, with the beginning of investigation(s), accusations of wrongdoing and coverup by a federal agency, denials by the White House, etc. The standards proposed above to suggest it's not WP:DUE don't appear to be rooted in any Wikipedia guidelines—although of course we do need to be careful of WP:BLM issues as Biden is, thus far, entirely legally innocent. Elle Kpyros (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
It seems entirely irrelevant to Hunter. His gun was taken by someone else. It was found by a bin dipper and later handed to police. Somewhere inbetween a variety of allegations are made about SS doing something or other. This might mean there was some wrongdoing somewhere, but given it happened in 2018 under Trumps watch why is this about the Bidens? As the report states "The Secret Service says it has no record of its agents investigating the incident, and Joe Biden, who was not under protection at the time, said through a spokesperson he has no knowledge of any Secret Service involvement." so there is no claim of the SS even being under the direction of either Joe or Hunter, and denied by the SS.
Meanwhile the idea that on the day he purchased the gun we can crystal ball whether or not he was addicted to a narcotic is absolute speculation and a major BLP problem. We could not even begin to infer any conclusion from Politico's statement, and inferring in a BLP a federal crime might have have been committed is a no-no without an investigation and / or more significant coverage than speculation. Koncorde (talk) 18:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
This is uttterly illogical and WP:CRYBLP. What's the relevance of who took Biden's gun, where it was found, or how the police came to possess it? What do you mean by "under Trumps [sic] watch why is this about the Bidens"? This has zero to do with Trump, and referencing him in this context is bizarre, to say the least. The subject is Hunter Biden's behavior, so obviously it's "about" him (but not "the Bidens" as a clan)—and who the US President was at the time is as irrelevant as the moon phase. RS have pointed out that the Secret Service's statement fails to explain why their agents were present and using their official police powers (or at least attempting to do so). It's your personal opinion that the Secret Service's statement represents incontrovertible evidence that they had no involvement—and I'm aware of no RS that shares your absolute faith in its veracity. The issue isn't whether "we can crystal ball" anything—Wikipedia relies on published reports from reliable, secondary sources, so "we" aren't doing anything of the sort. Wikipedia stating that RS have asked about Biden's behavior and the possibility he has admitted to committing a federal crime isn't in any way a BLP violation—and it's absolutely not Wikipedia "inferring" a crime was committed. RS have asked about disparities between Biden's public descriptions of his addiction (including a recent memoir) and his sworn statement that he was not using or addicted to substances at the time of a handgun purchase—see another recent piece here from a prominent law professor. RS aren't simply engaged in "speculation"—they're actively investigating, including FOIA requests. Surely you're not suggesting that the only investigations worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia are those by a government? And RS aren't looking into a "crystal ball" and randomly suggesting a crime "might have been committed"—they're pointing out that HB has himself suggested, "inferred", or admitted so. By factually stating that RS are investigating the possibility that Biden may have inadvertently documented his commission of a crime, Wikipedia is in no way "inferring" anything or violating WP:BLP. Elle Kpyros (talk) 17:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Every action that happens to or is taken by a BLP subject is invariably covered by the media. We use our discretion and common sense to discern which is a relevant biographical fact and what is routine or run-of-the-mill. ValarianB (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
The fact that it's neither "routine" nor "run-of-the-mill" for Secret Service agents to insert themselves into a local police matter on behalf of someone they assert they're not officially protecting is precisely why this incident has received and continues to receive media attention. So if that's the standard—then obviously this material merits inclusion. As for "common sense"—I haven't the faintest idea what Wikipedia standard you're trying to articulate there. The information is verifiable, NPOV, and not OR—WP's three core policies for content. It's not defamatory, nor does it in any way violate WP:BLP. Your view—that the Secret Service agents' involvement and questions about Biden's assertions on the firearm purchase form are "run-of-the-mill"—can best be described as a fringe theory; as I stated above, I am aware of not one single RS that has endorsed or supported your opinion, and you've provided none. On the other hand, numerous RS have found the event and questions surrounding Hunter Biden notable—meaning that the consensus, even unanimous view is that they are relevant to the subject of our article. Elle Kpyros (talk) 04:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
I'll repeat it simply for you: Hunters gun was stolen, and later returned, following a domestic dispute. That's the sum of the content related to Hunter. It's not particularly significant or biography worthy.
Everything else is to do with what the SS is alleged to have done. The article states clearly that the SS was not deployed to either Biden. The article suggests some SS agents in a certain branch freelance. The article does not say at any point who they were in the service of, or were directed by. There article suggests no more involvement of either Biden than it does Trump in the decision making. Everything else is pure speculation about the motives of the SS, what the may or may not have done, and in what capacity. Koncorde (talk) 06:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)