Talk:Hurricane Carol

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Story[edit]

I was stationed at the submarine school in Groton, Ct at the time Hurricane Carol came through. I do not know why but we, as students in the school, were not really aware of the approaching storm or it's potential severity. Communications and weather tracking admittedly were not what they are now but it was not the dark ages either. I vividly recall watching the wind and rain thru the windows of the barracks as the storm raged through. The barracks were located on about the highest point of the base so were in no danger from the rising waters. We heard about the flooding on the base down by the docks so we went down to see what was happening. It was quite a sight. The submarines had remained in port and dove in place at the docks. There they sat, submerged, sitting on the bottom with thier conning towers rising above the water. All of the cars that were parked along the docks and in the parking lots were under water. All you could see of them were the radio antennas sticking up out of the water. This was my first hurricane experience. The second followed shortly after when Hurricane Diane showed up.

Todo[edit]

References, aftermath pics. Jdorje 22:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Longer storm history would be good. The impact also needs to be more comprehensive. Are there any preps or aftermath? Hurricanehink (talk) 03:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

No preps. Is this still a stub class article? Hurricanehink (talk) 19:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Deaths[edit]

Can we have a deaths-by-state table? — jdorje (talk) 05:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


B-class[edit]

Very detailed descriptions of it's storm history, impact, and aftermath. Properly referenced with good sources, well beyond stub class. Hello32020 02:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Barrier System[edit]

Is this or is this not the hurricane that led to the construction of the extensive hurricane surge prevention system near Providence, Rhode Island? --McTrixie/Mr Accountable 16:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Intensity[edit]

HURDAT, direct from NHC, does not list Carol as a major hurricane. It is listed as a 100 mph Category 2. I know some of the NHC tables list it as such, but I have yet to see one that says anything but "3" under a Category tab. No windspeeds. Where 115 mph came from I don't know. Nothing in the MWR suggest major hurricane status other than a high gust reading. Gusts are notoriously sporadic. Are there errors in HURDAT, of course (Hazel, Beulah), but you can't just see "3" and put 115 mph. Could someone provide an official source that says 115 mph? -- §HurricaneERICarchive 23:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

This link from HURDAT is where it was from. The list was published in 2007, so I'd consider it official. I also wouldn't consider it a typo, because it clearly lists the following.
1954 Aug NY, 3; CT, 3; RI, 3; NC, 2 - that is attributed to Carol. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Carol/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sven Manguard (talk · contribs) 04:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC) GAN Quicksheet 1.23 SM
(Criteria)


Starting comments: Considering the author, I don't anticipate many, if any, issues.


1. Well written: Pictogram resolved.svg Section acceptable

a. prose/copyright: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable
b. MoS compliance: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable

2. Accurate and verifiable: Pictogram resolved.svg Section acceptable

a. provides references: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable
b. proper citation use: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable
c. no original research: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable

3. Broad in coverage: Pictogram resolved.svg Section acceptable

a. covers main aspects: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable
b. focused/on topic: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable

4. Neutral: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable

5. Stable: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable

6. Image use:

a. license/tagging correct: Pictogram voting question.svg Question - Am I to take from the omission of such a photo that there isn't a picture of the storm itself? I know we're early for satellites, and that the Hurricane Hunters didn't exist at the time, but I wanted to make sure.
b. relevant/properly captioned: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable

7. Additional items not required for a GA, but requested by the reviewer:

a. images that should have alt texts have them: Pictogram voting delete.svg Needs work - Would you please consider doing this?
b. general catch all and aesthetics: Pictogram resolved.svg Acceptable


Comments after the initial review: I made two minor sourcing tweaks, which you can look at in the diffs. Other than that, I've left one question, as well as put in a request (that will have no effect on my passing this or not) for you to put in alt texts. This looks to be an easy pass. Exactly what I expected when I decided to do this review. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the review! I added the alt images, easy enough. Unfortunately, there are no radar images or satellite images. Radar wasn't all that common during the storm, and satellite imagery didn't come around until the 1960s. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Bloody fast response, that. Okay, I'm promoting this now. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:10, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Hah, I wasn't stalking you and clicking the refresh button every minute, I swear :P (I'm actually working on another retired hurricane article now). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Damage/Death Toll[edit]

On the retired storms list i list a total damage amount of 461 million for Carol in the Untied States based on the 2005 edition of The Deadliest, Costliest, and Most Intense United States Tropical Cyclones list. Im about to increase it by another million to account for what the CHC gives the Canadian Total to be here. However this article is giving off a dmaage total of about $460 million. Can we find the discrepency and deal with it please? Thanks.Jason Rees (talk) 20:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I have also just noticed that you are citing a grand total of 68 direct, while the NHC says 60 as recently as 2011.Jason Rees (talk) 21:31, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the damage total, it's "about" $460 million", meaning we shouldn't treat it as exactly $460 million. Therefore, the $1 million from Canada would imply an incorrect level of precision. As far as the deaths, I miscounted. It's actually 72. I have a valid source that says 65 deaths in New England from 1997, which is fairly recent. Then, there were 2 deaths in Canada, 1 in NY, 2 in PA, and 2 in NJ. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Im not sure i like you using the "about 460 Million" for the United States since the NHC said in their editions of The Deadliest, Costliest, and Most Intense United States Tropical Cyclones list between 1978 and 2005 that the damage total for the states was $461 Million. As for Canada i can not be sure that the 1 million is in USD or CAD if its the latter then its probably not worth noting due to exchange rates.Jason Rees (talk) 03:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You're right. I added a conversion to 1954 USD from the Canadian total, which is also about $1 million USD, close enough. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:08, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Im gonna give you the two deaths in Canada, since i cant dispute them. However, im not sure about the 10 extra in the US though since the NHC Total of 60 has stuck since the system in 54, on the other hand it has to be said that the MWR was published in December 54 "Apparently".Jason Rees (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
@Hurricanehink: I took a random look at the source this evening and I can't say that im happy to use it to say 65 deaths in New England only. The source says: "came crashing ashore near Old Saybrook, Connecticut, leaving 65 people dead in her wake." That too me says nothing about the 65 just being for New England and as a result id like to see another source for the 65 deaths in New England/70 Overall please.Jason Rees (talk) 22:33, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

cn?[edit]

There's a [citation needed] for this line: "and Carol reached an initial peak intensity of 105 mph (165 km/h) late on August 27.[citation needed]" Could anybody fix it?--Jarodalien (talk) 08:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I cited it to the best track, thanks. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
User:Hurricanehink, but the infobox list peak intensity at 115 mph, which one is correct?--Jarodalien (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
115 mph is correct, I fixed it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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