Talk:Ian Murdock

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Source for "ex-wife"[edit]

The article links to his Facebook profile as a source for naming Debra his "ex-wife", but that profile is not public (except, I suppose, to his Facebook friends). Is this a useful source, then? -- pne (talk) 21:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it counts as a RS, but merely not being public is not enough. There are plenty of archives and libraries and collections which might be available 'on request to accredited historians'; accredited historians are a restricted subset in the same way Facebook friends are, if you follow my analogy. --Gwern (contribs) 01:09 31 December 2008 (GMT)

Since 2010[edit]

What has Murdock been doing since leaving Sun in 2010? He does not appear to have updated his blog since 2009. Does he participate in or comment on the development of Debian these days? Is there something else he's working on? Credulity (talk) 16:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Family origin[edit]

Why does he have an English name if he is German? --Error (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Debian 0.91 installer says "(yes, I'm a Yank :)". Murdock blogged about his father. Ian Murdock and his sister were born in Germany because his father worked at the University of Konstanz.[1] (An article could be written with that curriculum.) (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2015[edit]

<ref name=Debian>Lopez, Ana Guerrero; Norwood, Donald; Tagliamonte, Paul (30 December 2015). "Debian mourns the passing of Ian Murdock". Bits from Debian. Retrieved 30 December 2015. </ref>

should be:

<ref name=Debian>Guerrero Lopez, Ana; Norwood, Donald; Tagliamonte, Paul (30 December 2015). "Debian mourns the passing of Ian Murdock". Bits from Debian. Retrieved 30 December 2015. </ref>

following Spanish naming customs.

Isbilia (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Updated. Thanks! --PhiLiP (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Last twitter posts[edit]

Here's a webscreenshot of Murdock's last twitter posts before his death: His twitter account was promptly removed a few hours later.Goren (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

It is quite evident to me that someone else impersonated/took over the account with incoherent statements such as a derogatory term for people with a dark skin. That simply did not fit to Ian, not even if he'd be drunk. 2A02:8388:1600:A880:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (talk) 00:43, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
I'd agree that it seems very out of character, however I've added a citation needed for the part about dispute around who was in control of the account - the sources present are 1) a capture of the tweets themselves, and 2) discussion and mention of them which seems to assume he was. Neither posits he was not in control of the account at the time, and we should absolutely avoid OR and personal beliefs. ReidE96 (talk) 01:06, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Considering the account in the link is clearly Ian's, it was not an impersonation. Just to clear that up. Whether he was in control of the account we cannot say, although someone else using his account after his death is a rather grim thought as well. -- (talk) 03:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

with regard to his twitter not being under his own control, with no citation and after googling i could find no reference on any news source. just sounds like someones ridiculous conspiracy theory to me so have removed it for now. if a reference can be found for it id be more than happy to put it back but until its found at a reliable source i think its best left out. Nosdan (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

It's obvious from the context that Ian was describing what the police (and far too many other people) think of black people, and that if you are white and successful, don't think you're somehow immune to police brutality, so wake the f___ up. Yes, he used the unfortunate N word. No, it's not because he was a racist (he wasn't). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

just a collection of links:

--ThurnerRupert (talk) 03:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Not Suicide[edit]

Devil's Breath could be involved in his death. Too early to with his rant very Off-Character. This looks like a homicide regardless of officially pursued direction.

Murdock's twitter clearly indicated that his life was in danger. "suicide" is too extrapolated merely because 1 medium stated something and another few have speculated based on this one communication. 2607:FB90:246B:13A9:764C:FFB0:CBDC:EFCC (talk) 03:16, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

This is NOT the forum to speculate, propose, investigate or assert ideas not derived directly from reliable sources. none of this material on him, or the circumstances of his death, will go into the article until its public knowledge. And, it may never be public, if its kept as a family matter, which in some circumstances can happen.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
In his twitter he explicitly stated stated that he'd changed his mind about committing suicide (5:30 pm tweet) and then that he was going to instead dedicate the rest of his life to fight against police brutality (6:42 pm; the sad irony of situation is that he kind of did). His last tweet was from 7:12 pm and there was no mention of suicide intentions until then. This is all we can say based on the concrete source, everything on top of this would be speculation.--Goren (talk) 10:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Definitely NOT the forum to speculate, propose, investigate or assert ideas not derived directly from reliable sources such as the idea that Murdock was suicidal given a couple tweets sent out in his name. The article claims that there are no publicly available archives of his tweets, however, and this isn't true.. . His twitter pretty clearly indicates he felt his life was in danger by user "@jackstormwriter" 2607:FB90:7C5:48E4:65D9:1D2:5778:2A57 (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2015[edit]

Please change "but his Twitter account declared an intention to commit suicide, and described violent encounters with police" to "but his last tweets described violent encounters with police. According to him a policewoman allegedly tried to pull down his underwear, and the police beat him up twice, the second time being near to his house."[1] TheDefiant1 (talk) 06:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Whilst there's clear sources for the wording, I'm hesitant to make this edit in full as the additional sentence ("") seems WP:UNDUE - it simply restates the tweets more or less verbatim, and the source is a blog akin to an op-ed rather than a news article. In other words, I'm not sure what it would really add to the article. I've changed "his Twitter account" to "his last tweets" as that's certainly better wording. ReidE96 (talk) 07:40, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
But the current info in the Wiki page is wrong. His tweets doesn't declare his intentions to commit suicide. Thats why I made the edit. Also I added the bit about police beating him up and the policewoman issue. TheDefiant1 (talk) 07:56, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
One of the first tweets declared exactly that intent [clicky]. As for the police brutality and sexual assault, that's the part where I can't see what it adds to the article at this time. If additional information comes to light ,that says (for example) he was killed during a police raid they would have obvious relevance, but we shouldn't be including things "just because" - we already mention that they "[describe] violent encounters with police". ReidE96 (talk) 08:44, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
What's your angle Reid? One tweet claimed an intent to suicide, but many more said he felt threatened by "@jackstormwriter" and more recent tweets indicated he would dedicate the rest of his life to fighting police brutality. Mentioning his being suicidal alone, is a problem in that ideas are asserted without their full context. These tweets by "@jackstormwriter" are certainly worth referencing since he clearly threatened Murdock ("Remember the first thing they told you, right to remain silent. You done broke the rules. heehee jailhouse virgin") . I saw somewhere a link showing Murdock being released from a prison shortly before his death as well. 2607:FB90:7C5:48E4:65D9:1D2:5778:2A57 (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

According to The Register, Murdock was arrested on the 26th and 27th, and he received injuries in these encounters 2607:FB90:7C5:48E4:21A5:E7FC:519B:17DA (talk) 21:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

jackstormwriter's account no longer exists, and its web archive suggests "just some random" - I don't think there's value in naming him specifically. However, it's a fair point about subsequent tweets dedicating his life to combatting police brutality. My "angle", such as it is, is wanting an article containing all relevant information but which doesn't descend into Wild Mass Guessing. The Register link is certainly one that's worth including, certainly. How does this sound as an updated version of wording?
Original Details surrounding his death have not been released. The last tweets at his Twitter account described violent encounters with police. It was reported that he declared an intention to commit suicide over Twitter, but as of 1 January 2016 there is no public record of the cause of death.
Suggested Details surrounding his death have not been released as of $date, however it is not believed to be suspicious. The last tweets at his Twitter account declared an intention to commit suicide, before retracting it, describing violent encounters with police, and announcing an intent to devote his time to combatting police brutality.
I've tried to combine the information from the Register article (which is the most RS piece we have for this part) about circumstances of death and suicide declaration/retraction, and that which can be obviously read from the archived tweets about police brutality. ReidE96 (talk) 04:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


  1. ^ "Ian Murdock – A victim of police brutality?". TechTuft. Retrieved 31 December 2015. 

Pictogram voting info.svg Note: It looks like protection was set to expire on the 10th January but the page is not currently protected. I'll just close the request so it doesn't contribute to a backlog. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 09:45, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

A place for legit death discussion[edit]

It seems a disservice to countless Debian and Wikipedia users to allow conspiracy to haunt Ian's death. So I propose we locate any official documents directly referring to Ian as deceased, and reference them if possible.

And if you know anyone who knew Ian or anyone in that scene and can point this Wiki in a sourced direction ...

Ian apparently died in San Fran -- anyone able to confirm this, beyond CNN?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningmandate (talkcontribs) 01:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

CNN is a reliable enough source for location of death. The Register piece linked under the 31st December edit request covers a reasonable amount of information, as does TechCrunch, but as we have many reports that his family are requesting privacy there's likely to be limited information forthcoming for now - and we shouldn't press against their wishes. (That's the paper's job ;)) ReidE96 (talk) 04:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes. The WP:BDP policy explicitly states: ... for people who have recently died, [...] the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death [...]. Such extensions would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or a particularly gruesome crime. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:09, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. However, I'd query your removal of the contents of the last tweets under SPS - self-publishing is perfectly reliable for what the source is declaring/claiming per WP:BLPSELFPUB. I won't readd it just now as it's obviously by far the most contentious part of the article at present, but I'd argue it's improved by mentioning the content of those tweets provided we don't speculate based on them. ReidE96 (talk) 12:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
It fails that exact policy because it does contain claims about third parties. It's all of speculative nature at this point and is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:38, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
It contains his opinions regarding third parties, so as long as it's clear that's what's being included then it's an acceptable source, no? (Genuinely curious - I trust an admin to knows the policies better than I) ReidE96 (talk) 07:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Given the circumstances, I'd err on the side of caution and omit it. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC) "immediately after the revelations police denied that Murdock was ever under arrest" is interesting, though SOMETHING from San Francisco Police Department should be forthcoming and will be essential for encyclopedic coverage of the legendary programmer's death. For now, the "recent death" tag is essential. Linking to his tweets somewhere makes sense, especially as San Francisco Police Department has not said anything, and it is an encyclopedia's job to link to the most relevant explanation without its own commentary. Then again, the "death" section is going to be splotchy because his death was splotchy.
@ReidE96:, it should be worth noting that all accounts claiming that "his family are requesting privacy" come directly from the blogpost written by Docker CEO Ben Golub.. Not saying Golub is being untruthful necessarily, but "many reports" are ultimately linking back to Golub's 1 statement. 2607:FB90:2400:B4E6:60FB:BC61:53C5:3DB9 (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
An inherent problem with news media is that most information will come from only a few sources. However, Wikipedia policy is to use what the RSs tell us - and whilst they undoubtedly are all drawing much of their reporting from Golub's post, they report it, so we collate. ReidE96 (talk) 07:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Neither of the cited articles appear to support this statement: "Murdock has never been in trouble with the law before." Suggest removal. Factsfarefree (talk) 05:21, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Returned to where? Found dead where? No location is mentioned in the article: "Later, police returned on reports of a possible suicide. The city medical examiner’s office confirmed Murdock was found dead there."Factsfarefree (talk) 05:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Unless returns to add a source, I'd say we're best to just undo the edit. ReidE96 (talk) 21:51, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Please be careful not to politicize this[edit]

I don't like the sentence "Murdock tried to make clear as well that police violence is not a problem people of color are facing, but everybody." This sounds way too much like pushing a grand political narrative rather than correctly documenting his specific death. Besides that, if you read his exact tweet, he seems to be referring more to success and financial status than race. The exact tweet was "5:27pm: Maybe my suicide at this, you now, a successful business man, not a NIGGER, will finally bring some attention to this very serious issue." ( While it's obvious Murdock's tweets suggest he was drawing parallels between his situation and others, I don't think it's fair to automatically group his situation into any others, to contrast him with "people of color," or to implicate all police in some sort of grand conspiracy. These are all opinions. I would suggest this sentence be changed to "Murdock cited trouble with the police which he implied to be universal." I think that's much more factual. Doorzki (talk) 06:47, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. I'd go one further - most of the Death section was WP:SPS or tweets copied with agenda attached. I've removed it as well as the Pastebin of tweets, as Pastebin is not a reliable source - the other sources include them anyway. ReidE96 (talk) 08:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Your edits are very fair. Thanks. Doorzki (talk) 08:15, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
i am not so happy with these edits. i would have loved to add references the link to ian's tweeds as you cited above. as well the one to jackstormwriter which reads "What you have fucking done for humanity?". beeing npov here by stating information we know from ian and the police sounds appropriate. then let the reader figure out the agenda. no matter if we agree with the contents or not, ian murdock had a tendency to make political statements, be it the debian manifest, its social contract, etc. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

It's not up to Wikipedians to speculate on the context of Ian's tweets, nor should any sourced information be excluded from the article merely to protect Ian's reputation. Why not simply quote the tweets verbatim and leave it at that? Actually proposing that the tweets be *censored* from the article because you're concerned about their implied context is definitely POV-pushing on your end. (talk) 15:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I have no issue with adding the archive link to his tweets as a source (perhaps a single archive of the "tweets and repies" tab, rather than multiple links?), it's a reliable source. Pastebin isn't. Quoting all the tweets in the article itself would go against WP:LONGQUOTE so we can't do that. As it stands, the article mentions 1) the main contents of the tweets, 2) the controversy around them, and 3) police confirmation of the altercation. I wouldn't object to tweaking slightly to say Ian described a violent altercation and that the police confirmed the altercation whilst denying it was violent, as the current sources support it. ReidE96 (talk) 17:04, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Not to politicize? SFPD turned into a terrorist cell, like, many police department around the U.S. How much politicizing in saying the truth? And yes, I'm from Russia, and we have the same problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 10:25, January 2, 2016‎
Hyperbole like that is the very definition of politicizing. clpo13(talk) 18:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
i tried to add, but the english wikipedia currently blocks it, at least for me. the german wikipedia allows the pastbin version - which i verified to be the same - would work but i understand you do not like that too much. did not capture all the tweets. one of you is allowed to add the links? --ThurnerRupert (talk) 10:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Seems like is denied following an RFC. This web.archive seems to have all the relevant ones though, so I've added that. ReidE96 (talk) 15:05, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


User:KSEltar has moved the page from Ian Murdock to Ian Ashley Murdock as "full name is better for desambiguation [sic]". I'd suggest that, given there are no other notable Ian Murdocks around and there was no existing disambiguation page, this move was a little overkill, and since Murdock is otherwise generally referred to by only his first and last name I'd propose moving back to plain Ian Murdock. Would anyone object/have arguments in favour of including the middle name? ReidE96 (talk) 15:09, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Just yesterday I was watching incomplete articles and I find "Keith Arthur Murdoch", and find that his son "Keith Rupert Murdoch" (some write Rupert Murdock) has the same first name. It is not the first time that I see a "public name" skip the birth name of the people. The omission of the full name is for people habit, only to shorten firms generally (in many countries the full name is not used often, and that sometimes leads to homonyms) in an encyclopedic article real full name be used, for the legal accuracy (to help future accurate identification), also is a respect for the person it was. But probably soon there will be another distinguished person with the same short name, the wikipedia grows rapidly.--KSEltar (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

But probably soon there will be another distinguished person with the same short name, the wikipedia grows rapidly. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Article titles should reflect the common name of the subject. clpo13(talk) 16:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I reverted User:KSEltar's page move against Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) / WP:CONCISE / WP:COMMONNAME. There's no other articles with clashing titles. Widefox; talk 20:17, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

German born American v.s. German[edit]

I've reverted Uzishan, again. Murdock being born in Germany does not make him a German citizen. At the time of his birth, Germany citizenship was entirely jus sanguinis, not jus soli. He may have held German citizenship by another means, but not because of where he was born. — Strongjam (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Strongjam as far as I know he was German by blood as well. Also most news sites refer to him as German. Uzishan (talk) 18:31, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

@Uzishan: I've not seen any new sites refer to him as German, most just say he was born in Germany. His father is American entomologist Larry Murdock who was working at the Uiversitaet Konstanz at the time of his birth, however Dr. Murdock has been working at US universities since 1975 so Ian only spend a couple of years in Germany before moving to the US. — Strongjam (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Unhappy with Police report[edit]

And of lack of clarification in this article to those who are readers.

"police were called about someone attempting to break into a home" obviously the elephant in the room is: what was the motive? broken love? borrowed possessions he needed? if it were love i'd beleive he were poisoned but if it were the door of a business associate to most likely guess would be murder. depends.

As to mental health i will say what i'm sure of: it was either a G.I. illness which causes types of poisoning (from diet, from foo allergy) or he was poisoned (could be intently, non-intently, or medically)

He is right about the police in a way. People do not just become unreasonable for no reason.

There is always a reason as scientific as Ian was scientific, I'm %100 sure it was not genetic. The police claim it is common the CDC of usa report NO, it is impossible to magically become suicidal without a cause at an older age.

Ian is gone but his already "laminated" works cannot be put asunder. That is one of his wonders.

Where is the Police report ? -- (talk) 07:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
We can't mention speculations or your viewpoint in the article. That would be a blatant violation of WP:OR. I have to ask the same question like the IP above asked. "Where is the Police report ?". -- ChamithN (talk) 08:18, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Any developments?[edit]

I can't find any news in Google on Murdock's death. Is there any investigation or any new information at all, apart for speculations? If there are, it would be very beneficial to put them into the article.--Goren (talk) 21:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

wikt:sweep something under the rug LjL (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, seems like that's exactly what happened. Half a year later, still no developments on the story.-- (talk) 11:19, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ian Murdock/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The article is short and lacks much information accessible through the About Me page of this person's website, so it's a Stub. He is the founder of Debian, therefore priority is Mid. I added an infobox :) NerdyNSK 00:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Last edited at 00:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 18:42, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Autopsy Report 1[edit]

subject, a 42 year old male~ resides alone at 2410 Green Street, in San Francisco. The subject was found inside his locked residence, hanged by his neck, by San Francisco Police Officers performing a well-being check, after friends were concerned by the subject's suicidal ideations he was "tweeting" all day on social media. According to information received by San Francisco Rescue Captain Thomas #1 and San Francisco Police Officer Thompson #1292, filling incident report #151-117-986, the following investigative report was generated. On 12/28/2015, the subject was on his profile for a social media website called "Twitter" According to friends who follow the subject on the website, throughout the day today the subject was "tweeting" suicidal ideations and cryptic messages. Friends of the subject read these "tweets" and became very concerned for the subject~s well-being. Reportedly numerous anonymous persons began to Call the San Francisco Police Department~ asking for an officer to respond to the subject~s residence for a well-being check. San Francisco Police Officer Thompson #1292 responded to the subject's home at approximately 1910 hours. Officer Thompson #1292 looked through the window of the subject's front door and saw the subject lying facedown on the stairs, unresponsive. Officer Thompson #1292 then kicked the subject's locked front door down in order to gain access into the residence. Once inside the residence, Officer Thompson #1292 noticed the subject had an electric cord from a vacuum wrapped around his neck, unresponsive. Officer Thompson #1292 untied the make shift ligature that was around the subject's neck and lied him on his back on the floor in between the front door and the stairs Officer Thompson #1292 then summoned for Emergency Services. San Francisco Fire Department Rescue Captain Thomas #1 arrived on scene. Once on scene, Rescue Captain Thomas #1 determined the subject was beyond any resuscitative efforts and death was confirmed at 1939 hours, on 12/28/2015~ This office was notified of this death at 2005 hours~ same date. Investigation at the scene revealed the subject lying supine on the floor behind the front door just in front of the. The subject was noted to be covered in a yellow emergency blanket. The subject was noted to be nude. When the officer first walked into the residence he observed a vacuum located to the left of the subject. Per Officer Thompson #1292, when he first arrived on scene he found the subject lying facedown in a prone position with his feet resting on the floor but his body lying on the stairs Officer Thompson #1292 then noticed that the subject had a makeshift ligature tied around his neck with the vacuum's electrical cord, while the vacuum was at the top of the stairs held in position by the railing of the stairs Officer Thompson #1292 then unwrapped the cord of the vacuum and moved the vacuum off the stair's railing to loosen the ligature and create slack in order to be able to move the subject from the stairs to the floor in order to perform lifesaving procedures. According to Officer Thompson #1292, no photos of the subject~s original found position were taken by the officers There were no signs of any tobacco or illicit drug use noted throughout the empty residence. Evidence of alcohol use was noted with many empty bottles of wine found in several rooms of the residence. No medications were found on scene. External examination of the cold and flaccid remains revealed a furrow about the neck of the subject. Lividity was noted to be fixed No obvious signs of external trauma or foul play were observed about the remains. subject recently broke up with his girlfriend and was being evicted from his residence at the end of this month. The subject is a known drinker and can get "out of control" from time to time, per the neighbor. The police have been called to the subject's residence before by a neighbor due to loud noises~ screaming, and reported domestic issues with his girlfriend, which have been caused by the subject's drinking The neighbor stated that to the best of his knowledge, the subject was not suicidal, had never voiced suicidal ideations nor has he had any past suicide attempts. The neighbor stated that the subject knocked on his front door at approximately 1533 hours, the same afternoon 12/28/2015, and tried to apologize to the neighbor and make amends to the neighbor for everything that has happened over the last couple of months. The neighbor thought this behavior was strange, and thought it was odd the subject was doing this today, but he did not think much of it at the time. INVESTIGATOR: ADAM HELLMAN #109 KENDALL FUDIM #115 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Autopsy Report 2[edit]

Age: 42 Height: 5' 10" Weight: 208 Ibs.

PRELIMINARY EXAMINATION: The body is received in a white plastic pouch and is identified by an appropriately labeled Medical Examiner's tag attached to the right great toe. When first viewed, the decedent is unclad and is not accompanied by personal effects or valuables, There is a vacuum cleaner with attached cord that accompanies the body, as the ligature. The vacuum cleaner with attached cord is retained as Evidence.

The body is cold, following refrl'geration. There is moderate rigor mortis present. There is blanchable red posterior dependent lividity, except in areas exposed to pressure and red congestion of the head and neck above the level of the ligature mark described below under "Evidence of Injury." There is no evidence of decomposition, embalming, or organ donation.

EXTERNAL EXAMINATION: The body is of a well-developed, well-nourished, moderately hirsute, white man whose appearance is compatible with the recorded age of 42 years. The neck, head, face, torso and upper and lower extremities are described further under "Evidence of Injury."

The scalp hair is brown, straight, and measures up to approximately 5 inches in greatest length. Thereis an approximately li2 inch in greatest length brown moustache and beard. The eyelids are intact and unremarkable. There are rare petechial hemorrhages of the lef( upper bulbar conjunctivae. The sclerae and conjunctivae are otherwise congested, and otherwise unremarkable. The corneas are translucent. The pupils are equally dilated at approximately 5 mm in greatest diameter. The irides are brown, The mouth has natural teeth in good repair, and an atraumatic mucosa. The nose is intact, symmetrical, and unremarkable. The external ears are bilaterally symmetrical, well-formed, intact, and unremarkable.

The trachea is palpable in the midline. Cerebrospinal fluid from the cisterna magna is clear. The chest is otherwise well-developed and symmetrical. The abdomen is flat. The posterior body surfaces and anus are otherwise unremarkable. The external genitalia are those of an uncircumcised adult man, with testes bilaterally descended within the scrotum.

The bilateral upper extremities, below the level of the mid-upper arms are tanned. The upper and lower extremities are well-developed, with all digits present. The fingernails and toenails are soiled.

EVIDENCE OF MEDICAL THERAPY: There is a single electrocardiographic monitoring electrode on the anterior left side of the torso.

IDENTIFYING MARKS AND SCARS: Encircling the right arm is a tattoo which is photo-documented.

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CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO Office of the Chief Medical Examiner Medical Division

Case No. 2015-1223

Name: MURDOCK, IAN Date & Time of Necropsy: December 29, 2015 0900 Hours


HANGING: On the anterior and left side of the neck are parallel red linear abrasions with

intermittent areas of sparing. The individual red abrasions measure no greater than 1/16 inch in greatest width. This area of discontinuous parallel and paired red abrasions measures approximately 5 inches x 3/4 inches overall. This area of red abrasion is centered approximately 3-I/4 inches below the left external auditory meatus. The anterior portion of the red abrasions is centered over the thyroid cartilage.

The neck is dissected after the thoracoabdominal and cranial contents are removed. Internally, the superficial and deep muscles of the neck show no evidence of hemorrhages. The tongue is unremarkable. The hyoid bone and thyroid and cricoid cartilages are intact, with no adjacent soft tissue hemorrhages. The mucosae of the larynx and trachea are unremarkable with no intraluminal obstructive lesions. There are no prevertebral fascial hemorrhages or underlying cervical vertebral fractures.

BLUNT FORCE INJURIES: On tlle upper central forehead are three (3) separate scabbed

lacerations ranging from approximately 3/8 inch to 5/8 inch in greatest dimension. On the left supraclavicular fossa is an approximately I /2 inch in greatest dimension red abrasion. On the posteriorrightside ofthe neck is a punctate healing red abrasion. On theupper central chest is an approximately 1-1/2 inch in greatest dimension purple-red contusion. On the upper right side of the chest is an approximately I-1/2 inch in greatest dimension purple-red contusion. On the central abdomen are two (2) separate purple-red contusions ranging up to 1 inch in greatest dimension. On the lower left side of the abdomen is an approximately 3 inch in greatest dimension red abrasion. On the upper right side of the back is an approximately I inch in greatest dimension obliquely oriented linear red abrasion. On the upper left side of the back is an approximately 3 inch in greatest length obliquely oriented linear red abrasion. On the lower left side of the back, just above the left buttock, is an approximately 2 inch in greatest dimension purple-red contusion. On the front of the right arm is an approximately 4-I/2 inch in greatest dimension purple-red contusion. On the medial right forearm, near the right wrist, is an approximately 1/2 inch in greatest dimension purple-red contusion. On the back of the left arm is an approximately 1 inch in greatest dimension purple-red contusion. On the back of the left elbow is an approximately 2 inch in greatest dimension red contusion. On the anterior left forearm are four (4) purple-red contusions ranging up to 3/4 inch in greatest dimension. On the back of the left thumb is an approximately 1/4 inch in greatest dimension red abrasion. On the back of the left index finger is an approximately 1/2 inch in greatest dimension red abrasion. On the bilateral knees are red contusions and purple-red contusions measuring up to 5 inches in greatest dimension. On the front of the right shin is an approximately 1/2 inch in greatest dimension red abrasion. The well-developed skeleton is without evidence of palpable fractures. On dissection of the scalp, the skull is intact with no evidence of fractures.

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CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO Office of the Chief Medical Examiner Medical Division

Case No. 2015-1223

Name: MURDOCK, IAN Date & Time of Necropsy: December 29, 2015 0900 Hours

These injuries and findings, havt`ng been described above, will not be repeated.

INTERNAL EXAMINATION: The subcutaneous body fat is approximately 2.5 cm in its maximum thickness at the mid-abdomen. The pleural cavities are free of abnormal collections of fluid or hemorrhage. The visceral and parietal pleurae are intact and unremarkable. The pericardia! sac is intact and unremarkable. The abdominal cavity is intact and unremarkable. The lower abdominal wall has apparent surgical mesh imbedded in the fascia with no apparent overlying scar. The thoracoabdominal organs are in their usual positions. The diaphragms are intact.

CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM: The heart weighs approximately 500 grams. The epicardium is smooth and intact. The cardiac contour is globoid. The coronary arteries follow their usual anatomic pathways, with no atherosclerotic stenosis or recent thrombus of the epicardial vessels. The myocardium is red-brown, without evidence of infarcts or focal lesions. The left ventricle measures approximately I .0 cm thick concentrically; and the right ventricle measures approximately 0.3 cm thl~ck concentrically. The chambers are dilated. The endocardium, chordae, and papillary muscles are unremarkable. The valves are intact and unremarkable. The foramen ovale is closed. The aorta and its major branches follow the normal pathways and are unremarkable. The vena cava and major veins are intact and unremarkable.

RESPIRATORY SYSTEM: The left lung weighs approximately 510 grams; the right lung weighs approximately 600 grams. Externally and on sectioning, the pulmonary parenchyma is without masses, consolidations, obstructions, hemorrhages, or destructive emphysema. The tracheobronchial tree shows an unremarkable mucosa with no intraluminal obstructive lesions. The pulmonary vessels show no evidence of thromboemboli.

HEPATORILIARY SYSTEM: The liver weighs approximately 2,070 grams and has an intact capsule covering a moderately firm, red-brown parenchyma, with sharp anterior borders. Cut sections of the liver show no lesions.

The gallbladder contains approximately 30 ml of yellow-brown bile with no stones.

HEMATOPOIETIC SYSTEM: The spleen weighs approximately 210 grams and has an intact capsule covering moderately firm, red-purple parenchyma which on cut sections shows unremarkable lymphoid follicles. The thymus has been replaced by adipose tissue and is unremarkable. The thoracoabdominal and cervical lymph nodes are not enlarged. The visible bone marrow is unremarkable.

ENDOCRINE SYSTEM: The pituitary gland is intact and not enlarged, and is unremarkable. The thyroid gland is bilaterally symmetrical and unremarkable in color, size, and consistency. The cortices and medullae of the adrenal glands are unremarkable.

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CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO Office of the Chief Medical Examiner Medical Division

Case No. 2015-1223

Name: MURDOCK, IAN Date & Time of Necropsy: December 29, 2015 0900 Hours

Externally and on sectioning, the well-lobulated pancreas is without increased fibrosis, hemorrhage, or mineralizations.

GASTROINTESTINAL SYSTEM: The oropharynx and esophagus show unremarkable mucosae. The mucosa, wall, and serosa of the stomach are unremarkable~ The stomach contains approximately 200 ml of brown thin fluid, with no identifiable food fragments, tablets, capsules, or pill residues. The small intestine, large intestine, mesentery, and appendix are unremarkable.

GENITOURINARY SYSTEM: The left kidney weighs approximately 200 grams; the right kidney weighs approximately 190 grams. The renal capsules are intact and strip with ease from the underlying smooth, dark-red cortices. The corticomedullary junctions are well- demarcated, and the pyramids and papll'lae are unremarkable. The calyces and pelves are not dilated, and the ureters are patent to the bladder, which contains approximately 300 ml of clear yellow urine. The bladder mucosa and wall are intact, with unremarkable trabeculations.

MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM: The firm, red-brown muscles are without evidence of focal lesions. The skeleton has been described above.

HEAD AND CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM: The soft tl~ s~ -s an-~d m- "uslc esfoth -e-scalp are intact and unremarkable. The skull has been described above. There is no epidural, subdural, subarachnoid, intraparenchymal or intraventricular hemorrhage. The leptomeninges are thin and delicate. The arteries at the base of the brain are unremarkable. The dural sinuses and floor of the skull are intact and unremarkable. Externally and on sectioning, the cerebral hemispheres, deep brain nuclei, cerebellum, brainstem, and uppermost cervical spinal cord are bilaterally symmetrical and unremarkable.


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M.D. Hunter, M.D. A.P. Hart, M.D. E.G. Moffatt, M.D. H.S. Narula, M.D.

CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO Office of the Chief Medical Examiner Medical Division

Case No. 2015-1223

Name: MURDOCK, IAN Date & Time of Necropsy: December 29, 2015 0900 Hours

CAUSE OF DEATH: HANGING — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Toxicology TOXICOLOGY REPORT[edit]




Blood (Peripheral) Vitreous Humor

Blood (Peripheral) Blood (Peripheral) Blood (Peripheral) Blood (Peripheral) Blood (Peripheral)

Urine Urine Urine Urine Urine

Ethanol Ethanol

Chlordiazepoxidel Nordiazepaml Diazepam Oxazepam Temazepam

Chlordiazepoxide Nordiazepam Diazepam Oxazepam Temazepam

SUBMISSION DATE: 12/31/2015 M. E.: AH REPORT DATE: 05/09/2016

0.21 0.24

c/o (w/v) HS-GC-FID % (w/v) HS-GC-FID

1200 ng/mL 230 ng/mL 45 ng/mL 9 ng/mL Confirmed Present*

Confirmed Present Confirmed Present Confirmed Present Confirmed Present Confirmed Present




Report prepared by MM. MM

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                    ANALYTICAL PROTOCOL:

Specimens submitted were subjected to Analytical Panels A and B, Analytical Panel A employs HS-GC-FID to detect and quantify ethanol~ methanol, isopropanol and acetone and may also detect other volatile compounds which would require additional analyses for confirmation and/or quantitation. Analytical Panel B employs Biochip Array Technology, GC, GC-fvfS .and/or LC-MS/MS to detect, confirm and/or quantify Amphetamines, Barbiturates, Bath Salts I & II, Benzodiazepines, Benzylpiperazines, Buprenorphine, Cannabinoids, Chloral Hydrate, Cocaine, Ethyl Gfucuronfde (EtG), Fentanyl, Haloperidof, Ibuprofen, Ketamine, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD), Meprobamate~ Mescaline, Methadone, Opiates, Opioids, Oxycodone, Phencyclfdine (PCP), Phenylpiperazines 1. & II, Propoxyphene~ Salicylates, Salvinorin, Synthetic Cannabinoids I, II, !II, IV & V, Tricy~lic Antidepressants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Can we get a source for those? --Goren (talk) 15:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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