Talk:Ievan Polkka

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Ievan Polkka template[edit]

User:Dudenfreund/Template:Loituma

Babel is great! :o)
-- Greetings, Dudenfreund 01:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Split[edit]

I think that the song itself and cartoon should be split into different articles. Abolen 21:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Disagree The article is rather short. Splitting into two different articles would only exacerbate the problem. Furthermore, splitting is almost always done only because the original article is too long (or the split section is too detailed for the article). --Arabani (TalkContribs) 03:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Do we even need that enormous section about the cartoon? To merely mention that there's a flash cartoon featuring a Bleach character would be enough, do we really need to know that people find it funny or need to know the reason that the character is holding a leek in the cartoon that the screencap comes from? Lavareef 12:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Savo or not?[edit]

I would not argue, but one of Loituma members, Timo Väänänen, wrote a letter to one of Russian Polkka Community members, in which he says that lyrics are really in Savo dialect:

http://community.livejournal.com/ru_polkka/29297.html#cutid1

The lyrics for Finns are quite funny because it is in Savo dialect
(Savo is in the eastern Finland) that is very humoristic.

As I can learn from the article, Savo is not the dialect as such (with it's own vocabulary etc), but rather just an eastern pronunciation.

May it be so that lyrics are written in plain Finnish but sung in Savo? Abolen 05:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The lyrics can be found at http://www.noside.com/nsd6010note.html and the dialect is barely understantable to a person talking 'standard' finnish. Orsanthes 20:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
The lyrics are definately written in some sort of Savo, not standard Finnish. Savo is otherwise considered a dialect. --Ryan 15:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Savo Finnish: Ievan polkka or Polokka Standard Finnish: Eevan polkka

External Links[edit]

I just removed all links except the ones to the assumed origin of the flash cartoon, the live video clip and the lyrics. I hope no one feels restrained, but I see no need to list up several links that point to identical files.
-- Greetings, Dudenfreund 23:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Author[edit]

http://www.deviantart.com/view/32693931/ For the love of god this is the link!

That's odd. How come I knew the file a whole week before its upload? Same goes to Apocryphite, he created the Loituma-Lemma six days earlier. And both of us got this link. Furthermore, the Google search at that time showed that this was most probable as origin, not only because of the spread: Then it was rather easy to find the earliest contributions in internet forums and look at which site they pointed to. And that's something I consider convincing.
However, by now there are thousands of pages which have the file uploaded, seeking attention and usually containing ad banners or patriotic users. I guess Wikipedia doesn't want this article to become a spam page for minor (or major) forums, therefore I politely ask you to explain and substantiate the relevance of the site you named.
-- Greetings, Dudenfreund 13:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
It's hardly spam when you try and point it out. Secondly its not a forum but deviantart which is fairly large site anyway. I have rasied the point with the user on the site since I checked the time stamp on the ~rancid file using wget. The possiblity is that the person could have it on their site and deviantart, so that could be the relevance. If however he isnt the owner then I can clear up that it would be in fact that the person is stealing it. The link rancid has it easy to find but people can always copy files form sites. I want to find out now who the correct owner of it is.
I'm the one who made the flash, april 16th and uploaded it to 4chan.org's /f/-forum the same day. I have nothing to do with either the rancid- or the deviantart site. Now, hopefully, we have that cleared up. - Anonymous
 *lol* Well, that's something I call a cast iron proof. Feel free to arrange it among yourselves, I'm done here ;o)
-- Greetings, Dudenfreund 12:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Pretty Green Onions[edit]

DJ Sharpnel made a song which features samples of the song quite prominently. The name of it is Pretty Green Onions. Is this noteworthy enough to be mentioned? If you're curious about the song and unsure of where to check it out, the easiest would probably be here. Just hit the play button. 24.192.245.240 21:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Lyrics?[edit]

Wikipedia is no place for lyrics. I am removing it now. hawck 23:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

stop that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 18:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

great job, removing an entire few kb from Wikis servers, and making this article less informative. What about a link, oh great Improver-of-Wiki?

And for the love of pete, can we get some text in the description that doesn't appear to be translated from Chinese by a proud, state-educated communist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.148.245.133 (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Youtube links[edit]

I have added to the article two links to Youtube content with the versions allegedly performed by Arttu Suuntala and Pauli Räsänen respectively. They both contain no video, and the potential copyright infringement is lower. On the other hand their value in the historical context is high. Some absent-minded bot have reverted the addition. After the reinstatement some (no comment) user have used the very convinient "undo" mouse-click, and acted as a bot.

Looking at Wikipedia:External links/YouTube one can read:

  • " ... websites such as YouTube (...) have significant amounts of copyright-infringing material, but also have material which may be valuable as an external link within a Wikipedia article. ..."
  • "... Most link removals are uncontested, and the removed links are not replaced, but somewhere between 1% and 10% of links are replaced, often with discussion of why the link was valuable/not copyvio/etc. ... Very occasionally these discussions become incivil and/or edit wars erupt over the legitimacy of the link. ..."

-- 85.187.29.139 (talk) 05:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was mistaken. I thought indeed youtube-links were prohibited on Wikipedia in general. I read the section after your second revert and stand corrected. — N-true (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

"Ievan Polkka" has also recently been performed live by the Finnish duo Kuunkuiskaajat. They have not yet made a professional recording of this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEDIMMQ7x4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.207.70.123 (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Since when?[edit]

I think that the famous flash is older. What source of information is used to say 2006? I received via mail this flash much earlier, but I can't remember exactly (2000, 2001...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.210.28 (talk) 00:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)