Talk:Immigration

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Changes to the ethnics section[edit]

I removed the uncited claim that the labour market in developed nations need unskilled immigration. In many countries, like the US and New Zealand this isn't true. They need more skilled immigration. Also in countries like Germany they usually end up unemployed, because they are not needed in the labor market. I also think the picture is bigger than the labor market. We need to think about the economy and the country, which should have been addressed after that claim. Because even though they may be needed in the labor market, they may not benefit to the economy or the country. Camlon1 (talk) 21:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Fact?[edit]

The European colonization of the Americas...was the biggest immigration in known history.

Swiiman (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Editorial comments on the article[edit]

At the end of this (quoted from the article) paragraph are editorial comments that - regardless of the quality of the article - do not belong in the article so I am removing them. They can be read here and properly inserted by the author on the talk page: The politics of immigration have become increasingly associated with other issues, such as national security, terrorism, and in western Europe especially, with the presence of Islam as a new major religion. Those with security concerns cite the 2005 civil unrest in France that point to the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy as an example of the value conflicts arising from immigration of Muslims in Western Europe while failing to recognize the fact that most participants of the 2005 civil unrest were citizens of France, not immigrants themselves, and the essence of their protest was denial of equal rights, and blatant racism, on the part of the state. Because of all these associations, immigration has become an emotional political issue in many European nations. EDITORIAL COMMENTS START HERE ==> This paragraph is rife of self-contradictions. Is French state racist against non- French citizens? What rights should this stratus of society fight for? I am an eye witness of the events, non European. 100% of the participants were under-age Arab people. Underage means less than 18 but close to 18. The purpose is political: whatever they do, they can't be prosecuted.

Netrapt (talk) 14:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Immigrants vs Colonists[edit]

The opening definition of 'immigrants' is too vague and not historically or legally accurate. For example, as Chilton Williamson pointed out in The Immigration Mystique, the 80,000 mostly English and Scots-Irish settlers of colonial America, the ancestors of America’s historic Anglo-Saxon majority, had not transplanted themselves from one nation to another (which is what defines immigration with respect to people), but from Britain and its territories to British colonies. They were not immigrants, but colonists. The immigrants of the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries came to an American nation that had already been formed by those colonists and their descendants. Ignorance of this distinction has lead to the often repeated assertion that the USA is a 'nation of immigrants', when in fact roughly half the population is descended from founding colonists, not immigrants. Wikipediaphile (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

What About Really Old Immigration?[edit]

This article doesn't have any information about immigration except in the past few hundred years. To be comprehensive shouldn't it have some information about immigration going back as far as it did. I'd like to know about immigration in ancient times or the middle ages. Article should be labeled a stub.35.11.207.145 (talk) 08:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree that it's a stub, but I think this does point to a wider problem. The article doesn't have a clear definition of immigration anywhere; what makes one person an 'immigrant' and another a 'native'? Is someone whose distant ancestors migrated to an area an immigrant? For example, many in the North East of England are descended at least partly from Scandinavians who immigrated/invaded in the middle ages. Are they immigrants? If not, what about people whose grand- or great-grandparents migrated from the Commonwealth countries in the mid-twentieth century? Where is the line drawn? The article implicitly draws the line 'after' very old immigration but before modern immigration, but this is in danger of being arbitrary. Now of course all this may be because there is no clear definition or distinction to be made. But this could at least be mentioned; I'm sure there is plenty of literature to refer to on this point. And it would reduce the arbitrariness of the focus on modern immigration. BuffaloBill90 (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

The japan stamp is wrong[edit]

This reads kikoku and it means "Return country". It is stamped in the passport of Japanese National and means they are back in Japan. Foreigner never get that stamp even if they take a vacation out of Japan (They are always admitted). I think it's a little bit out of place to have this stamp in the immigration page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.206.208.214 (talk) 07:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree. I removed it. -- (talk) 13:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Why does it read as...[edit]

Why does the Immigration page has a little box that reads as " This article's introduction section may not adequately summarize its contents. To comply with Wikipedia's lead section guidelines, please consider expanding the lead to provide an accessible overview of the article's key points. (October 2010)"? How can we fix this? I just want to make sure everything is correct; doing so for some homework.... 205.215.177.163 (talk) 15:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

emigrants vs expatriates[edit]

Please see Talk:Expatriate#Expatriates_versus_Emigrants and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Poland#emigrants_vs_expatriates. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:25, 28 February 2011 i love to talk

Merge with Emigration?[edit]

Are the two different enough that they warrant having their own pages? By definition, the only difference is the perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zujua (talkcontribs) 20:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

The net migration rates graphic[edit]

There's this 'net migration rates' graphic at the beginning of the article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Net_migration_rate.PNG) which does not cite any sources or references. I am, therefore, gonna delete it. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.97.16.60 (talk) 08:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Italians born outside Italy[edit]

Message for IP with no talk page: You changed "the Americas" to ""North America" in the sentence "As of 2009, the foreign born population origin of Italy was subdivided as follows: Europe (53.5%), Africa (22.3%), Asia (15.8%), the Americas (8.1%) and Oceania (0.06%). ". The AmericaS is right - Brazil and Argentina are home to the BIGGEST populations of descendents of Italians, more than the US. As for "North America", Canada comes an almost insignificant 5th place and Mexico is nowhere. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 15:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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This pages needs help[edit]

  • First, the introduction for this page is in no way reflective of the overall content.
  • Second, there are lots of places throughout the text that are without citation.
  • Third, there is no history section. People have been immigrating for as long as we have recorded history and this article says nothing about this. An expert on this topic is needed.
      ** What makes you think there was no immigration before recorded history ???   ;-)  RobinClay (talk) 13:09, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

In short, this article needs a lot of work. Please help out if you can and please let me know if you can collaborate to improve this page and we can plan and divide up the tasks.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 21:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

International vs. internal[edit]

The article seems to be restricted to international (im)migration. This should be reflected in the titel, or the article should be broadened. Alenepaagata (talk) 06:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Compare Immigration_to_the_United_States -- Is this article better now? -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Archive.org - Wayback machine[edit]

https://web.archive.org/web/20060907102226/http://www.nidi.knaw.nl/web/html/pushpull/index.html

This is listed as a "dead link". You can use this one instead. 141.20.215.60 (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Female immigration?[edit]

Hi Wikipedians! I'm Michelle and I was thinking of possibly writing a new article (or at least add a new section) about trends in female immigration. I know female immigrants tend to be more susceptible to domestic violence, not to mention the whole mail-order brides phenomenon. What are your guys's thoughts, and does everyone think this should a separate article or a section in the current one? Mjiang94 (talk) 20:01, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Michelle! I would suggest creating the new article in your sandbox to determine whether or not it has enough content to be considered its own article. You can also start by writing the content as a new section in this page, then moving it to a new article if it becomes too large to fit here. Either way, don't let that stop you from contributing. If you make a new page and there's an agreement that it should be merged here, that can always be done later. --Iamozy (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Immigrant rights[edit]

I was surprised there was not an article for Immigrant rights, so I went ahead and Redirect redirected the page to this article for now. Are any editors interested in expanding this redirect? ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

For the health section -- new book[edit]

This new book may be relevant for expanding the health section to cover immigrants' health, too: The Health of Newcomers: Immigration, Health Policy, and the Case for Global Solidarity, by Patricia Illingsworth and Wendy E. Parmet, 2017, New York University Press Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 01:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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