Talk:Impact of the Arab Spring

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Map Needed[edit]

Personally I think a map here would be contributing to an oversight of this article just as the map on the main MENA-protests article from which this one was split. - AlwaysUnite (talk) 17:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 09:29, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Agreed - this is a must. --Smart30 (talk) 22:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Agreed - 96.49.238.187 (talk) 04:01, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Agreed - I will ask Myronbeg, I think he knows how to make them. --ERAGON (talk) 12:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Myronberg is unresponsive; making one myself. --ERAGON (talk) 19:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Its up.--ERAGON (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

lead - we need something like "protests or attempts to organise protests"[edit]

In most of the Arab countries, it seems reasonable to describe the protests as "similar" to those in Tunisia and Egypt - IMHO the RS give us enough similarities, and the close cultural connections (language/blogs/geographically close) make these credible. On the other hand, the similarities in countries further away, and whether or not they consist of "protests" or only "attempts to organise protests plus paranoid reactions of the authorities that bring more attention to the protests than they would have got otherwise" (PRC case), make it more difficult to put all of this in a single sentence. i'm going to be bold and put this in place, and also here's a copy and my reasoning:

The Tunisia Effect outside Middle East and North Africa concerns protests or attempts to organise uncontrollably growing protest movements that were inspired by or similar to the 2011 Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions and related protests in the Arab world and Iran. Attempted protests happened in sub-saharan Africa in Cameroon[1] and Zimbabwe[2], in Asia in the People's Republic of China,[3] North Korea,[4] and Vietnam[5], and protests in the United States drew some inspiration from the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions.[citation needed].
  • this drops details such as "from Morocco to Iraq" about the MENA protests
  • i've excluded cases where there is no cited evidence of inspiration - e.g. Bolivia in which Morales was "on guard" in the wake of the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions according to a media organisation - i.e. the most likely to be deleted after case-by-case discussion on the talk page.

What still needs to be added is a sentence on the "pre-emption" cases. The sourcing in those sections probably needs some work, but i suspect that that part will be as notable as the "protests" part of the article.

There are plenty of refs for the United States protests, but for the moment they're not in the main body of this article, so they can't be cross-refd. IMHO they should first go in the main body, and then one or two can be cross-refd up in the lead. Boud (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Rename article[edit]

"Tunisia Effect" is a WP:NEOLOGISM. A previous article at Tunisia Effect was deleted for that reason, if I recall correctly. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 02:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

  • I used the name for reasons of brevity. „Protest related to the 2010-2011 MENA protests, but outside the region” (or something along those lines) seemed too long (and a bit repetitive „protests/protests”).
  • PS. I see you already moved it. Wouldn't „Impact of 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests outside the region” be a more apropriate tile?- ArnoldPlaton (talk) 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Seems too long to me. The word "impact" already assumes the outside influence. Brandmeister t 22:29, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

"Former Soviet Union"[edit]

Can I just ask why a section is called "Former Soviet Union" when it only references to Kazakhstan? 90.212.223.102 (talk) 22:50, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Article that are talking about the same topic[edit]

They are many articles that are/were talking about the same article. We have 2010-2011 Worldwide protests, Tunisia Effect, 2010–2011 anti-government protests and Jasmine Revolution. Those are the ones I have found since the protests have started. We need to merge them them into one article. Can someone please help? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 14:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, some of those articles have been merged, deleted and recreated a few times. I say we let events chill a bit and then proceed to merging them. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 08:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Can we at least get some of the info that was deleted from those articles back? I remember there was apart of Greece, Mexico, and other countries that are not mentioned in this article -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 00:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
It seems like two of those got deleted - you can ask admins for the content, but there are copyright problems if you copy/paste/paraphrase arbitrary stylistic choices of material that was not your own work, so be careful. en:Tunisia_Effect?oldid=415390272 seems to be the pre-redirect version of Tunisia Effect, so you can safely look for material there. Jasmine Revolution is now a disambiguation page. There's a link on the talk page to the last pre-disambig version in case you want to look for material there. In principle, in either case, AFAIK you should link to the source page in your edit summary in order to improve copyright-defensibility. Boud (talk) 00:06, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
I am going to busy for awhile. Can someone else do it? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Other Protests[edit]

Midwestern U.S. protests[edit]

The current wording of this section sounds like partisan cheer leading. The article would benefit from a neutral stance and the inclusion of more dissenting quotes than just the "quote mining" citation of Paul Ryan. The protests in Wisconsin were led by governmental agencies and powerful union lobbies. This fact is missing from the article. The Wisconsin protests were a gathering of government supporters picketing against the people of Wisconsin and demanding more resources for themselves at the cost of the people. To compare this in any way to the Egyptian anti-government protests will need some real facts. zlerpster (talk) 19:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC).

I don't think it is partisan at all. In fact what you have pointed out is a good connection between Wisconsin and Egypt. There was widespread labour participation in both Egypt and in Wisconsin. The rest of what you wrote is extremely partisan. The fact of the matter remains that the Wisconsin protesters did note that they were inspired by the Egyptian protesters. The Egyptian protesters did in part send messages of goodwill to Wisconsin protesters (all documented in the article). Furthermore, the Wisconsin protesters did use the tactics and symbolism of Egyptian revolt. In other words, in Wisconsin, there were signs showing solidarity with Egypt; but there were no signs along the lines of what you have written "screw Wisconsin, give more to us".Poyani (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

You can't put out this article and NOT include Wisconsin or Ohio or any of those Midwestern protests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.65.166.185 (talk) 03:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Agree. The WP:RS-based information linking the Wisconsin protests to the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions is stronger than for many of the countries presently listed. The only obvious explanation for this inconsistency is the demographic profile of the community of en.wikipedia editors. Here are some cut/pastes (text only, wikilinks and refs shown only as links) from en:2011 Wisconsin protests?oldid=418112950. Please go to the page itself for the referenced version.
  • According to Mike Lux, some of the protesters in the two states carried Egyptian flags, indicating their Egyptian revolution inspiration.[51]
  • Some protesters carried signs comparing Walker to Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Hosni Mubarak and a terrorist, and accusing him of "raping" public employees.[56][57]
  • The protests have been compared to the 2011 Egyptian revolution by both Democratic Representatives such as John Lewis,[12] and Republican Representatives, such as Paul Ryan.[50] Mike Lux, a political consultant, stated that "the pictures we are seeing and the story playing out in Wisconsin is like Egypt in some really important ways. The new mass militancy of union members, students, and other allies of the maligned teachers, social workers, cops, firefighters, and other public employees being attacked and threatened by the governor is not a manufactured thing, it is a mass movement spreading like wildfire, building in momentum day by day."[51]
  • John Tarrett and a crew from Al Jazeera English TV arrived on February 19. "I think this dovetails very nicely with our reporting on Egypt and Bahrain, and now Libya—where ordinary people are standing up saying enough is enough," Tarrett was quoted as saying.[141]
It would be good if we could look at the WP:RS evidence and override our demographic profile. Boud (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
i've taken more or less the lead first paragraph of 2011 Wisconsin protests, and material from that article that claims Wisconsin - Egypt links. (comment: the claims of links all seem to talk about the Egyptian revolution and say nothing about the Tunisian revolution; i guess only the former got sufficient publicity in the US?) This seems to be a better documented link than several of the places that are presently included here. Boud (talk) 22:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC) (typo corrected Boud (talk) 10:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC))
I am a regular editor on the 2011 Wisconsin protests page and we have decided to remove the link to the Arab Spring until we can get some more concrete evidence that there is a connection. For example, there hasn't been riots in Wisconsin whereas it appears the Arab Spring has more of that association. If anyone here has input, please see the Wisconsin protests talk page. Expert advice is needed here - not mere opinion, so any solid documentation regarding the connection other than people merely saying there's a connection would be great. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Croatia[edit]

Please add something about the protests in Croatia, see source: [1]. --78.0.204.103 (talk) 15:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Such a section has been added.--JohKar (talk) 07:36, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

here are three important sources for Croatian March 2011 protests:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...economic-slump

http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/485.php

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=11678 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.196.230 (talk) 16:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

TRNC[edit]

TRNC (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) protests are anti-Ankara and anti-TRNC government. They are unprecented, they were never seen before in Cyprus dispute. I have one primary source, the call for a gathering in Ankara for TRNC protests that say the protests are inspired by Arab World and North Africe protests. (http://jiyan.org/2011/03/02/ikinci-kibris-toplumsal-varolus-mitingi%E2%80%99ne-destek-cagrisi/). There's little coverage of this protests in English media (http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-234198-turkey-riding-high.html), however we cannot say there's "very little" coverage. So, Wikipedia can include this protests. These are the sources that show TRNC protests are inspired by Arab World protests:

1. http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/PIO/PIO.nsf/a51d0d2b2ceb5e20c2257076004d03b5/d653d0f64b4677fdc225784800420f23?OpenDocument The movement is called Yasmine Movement.

2. http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/74782,news-comment,news-politics,tunis-yesterday-cairo-today-london-tomorrow "While Egypt's disturbances have made front page news the world over, Serbia's huge anti-government protests have gained far less media attention. And the Serbs aren't the only Europeans who are taking to the streets to express their disapproval of their leaders. In neighbouring Albania, 20,000 demonstrators took part in anti-government protests in Tirana last month (above), during which four civilians were shot dead, and 17 policemen injured. Large anti-government demonstrations were again held in Tirana and other Albanian cities on Friday. On January 28, in the Turkish-half of Nicosia in northern Cyprus, around 40,000 people gathered to protest against their government: a general strike was also held. " wrote Neil Clark.

3. "Northern Cyprus become yet another piece in a possible domino of popular uprisings that started in Tunisia and spread to Egypt" http://www.athensnews.gr/issue/13430/37538

4. "Cairo and Nicosia, I do not remember who used this metaphor recently but it fits perfectly" http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=cairo-and-nicosia-2011-02-13

5. Azadian E. writes: "Popular discontent and protests sweeping across the Arab world have also hit “The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus,” a client “state” created by Turkey after the invasion of the island in 1974. To this date no country has recognized that artificial “country” except the regime in Ankara." http://www.mirrorspectator.com/?p=4620 Kavas (talk) 02:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC) Please don't remove this part from the article. Thanks. Kavas (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Again, why do you remove TRNC protests from Wikipedia? Protesters say they're insipired by the Arab Spring. I know TRNC protests arent put into big news channels like CNN, AJE but it gained media coverage in Turkish, Greek and Cypriot media. Kavas (talk) 11:32, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

UK[edit]

"In Sheffield, there were a number of protests between 10 March and 13 March, centred around the 2011 Liberal Democrat Party Spring Conference in that city at the time."

I don't think this has anything to do with the Middle Eastern protests - they took place during the LibDem Party Conference in protest at the party itself, and is in that sense unrelated. Also the source article does not make any reference to the Middle East protests. I suggest this section is removed. Cooltrainer Hugh (talk) 22:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Germany, Greece and UK[edit]

Germany - Removed without discussion. The whole paragraph was about an event that is unrelated to the MENA protests and has NOTHING to do with the government of that country.

Absolutely noone in Germany would have ever had the idea of waving shoes at a politician if the MENA protests were unheard of. But unfortunately, the english media reference indeed did not take note of that. German media did but citing a German language newspaper would not make much sense here. The defense minister is an important member of the ruling administration (US citizens should familiar with this).
BTW, no need to scream, 99.56.60.30. --Uweka (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


Greece - This is debatable. Youth rights protests have been an issue in Greece for YEARS. Doesn't seem to be related.

UK - Has to do with budget.... not government.

99.56.60.30 (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Ragarding Greece, this is the first movement of its kind in Greece's 190-year history. Never before has there been a non-political movement lasting (including today) nine days, with more protests on the way. This is also unique in that its peaceful, organized over the internet (facebook), and inspired by the Spanish Indignados movement. News sites such as Euronews have related it to the Arab Spring. One way or another, it is indirectly influenced by the Arab Spring. Also let me point out that this is not a youth movement. --Philly boy92 (talk) 17:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Regarding Greece, this was going to happen regardless of the Arab Spring. There is no way to tie the financial crisis Greece (and the Eurozone) is suffering with the protests in the Arab World. Perhaps partially, but not to this magnitude. Unrelated, all three of them. The only European protests debatable in my opinion is Albania and maybe (big maybe) Spain.--haha169 (talk) 05:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
There is no doubt that civil unrest in Greece would happen, as it has in previous years. However the form the protests have taken and the means by which the protests have began are undoubtedly part of the impact of the Arab Spring. The protesters themselves call for a Greek Tahrir Square. I would agree that the protests in Greece are not a direct domino effect of the Egyptian and Tunisian revolutions, however the events in the Arab World have undoubtedly left their mark in the current civil unrest in Greece. --Philly boy92 (talk) 00:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Additionally even the hardcore Greek TV channels which initially refused to even include the protests in their bulletins (Mega Channel was forced to shut down its facebook page because it got over 2,000 negative comments for not featuring the large protests) have now began to entertain the notion that the Arab Spring has influenced Greece: relevant documentary on MEGA Channel. --Philly boy92 (talk) 04:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Protests in china has evaporated[edit]

There no protests any longer , chinese section has to be removedGermanlight (talk) 15:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

on the other hand just because it ended it doesent mean that events that happened earlier should be ignored so i reconsider my postion and undo my own editGermanlight (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

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Qatar[edit]

I heard there were protests planned, but the government intervened and shut them down, should that not also be mentioned?--184.77.10.72 (talk) 07:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I think that probably belongs in the "Other regional incidents" section on Arab Spring, if you can find WP:RS to support that. -Kudzu1 (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Ahvaz riots in Iran - part of the Arab Spring?[edit]

On April 15th 2011 and the following days, extensive riots spread across the Iranian province of Khuzestan, initiated by the Arab minority there, in order to mark 6 years since the violent events of "15 April Intifada" or 2005 Ahwazi unrest. The April 15th 2011 events resulted in some 12-15 dead,[6][7] many injured and hundreds of arrests. The events in Khuzestan had been included in the 2011 Iranian protests, however since the current article has been renamed to "Arab Spring", rather than "2010-2011 Middle East and North Africa protests", Iran has become exluded from the scope of the events. The question is - do we relate to 2011 Arab protests in Iranian city of Ahvaz, as part of the Arab Spring, or is it just impact of the Arab Spring, like the rest of 2011 Iranian protests arena? Please discuss it the discussion section of the Arab Spring article.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

After discussions, it seems there is no consensus to include the 2011 Ahvaz protests within the scope of the "Arab Spring", and more importantly - we have no sufficient sources to make that link. Hence, unless some good sources for this are found, we don't include Ahvaz protests in the Arab Spring article, but possibly in the Impact of the Arab Spring article. Nevertheless, there seems to be a solid claim to separate the 2011 Ahvaz protests from the 2011 Iranian protests article, as virtually no sources at all link the Ahvaz protests to the Green Movement - making Ahvaz a completely separate case. The Ahvaz protests are extensively described by WP:RS and might be even more notable than the Iranian Green Movement protests of 2011. According to the Amnesty report there are continuing consequences of this event in arrests, executions and sanctions upon Ahvaz population, further emphasizing the notability of this event, see here [2].Greyshark09 (talk) 15:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Issue[edit]

This is a list of protests that occurred 2011 rather than a list of protests inspired by the Arab Spring. Remember, no original research. This article is full of it. --haha169 (talk) 01:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

A few of the Africa ones in particular should be critically reassessed. I know Burkinabe groups have compared President Compaore to the ousted dictators of Tunisia and Egypt, but I struggle to see the connection in Mozambique and Ivory Coast. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Australia[edit]

In the introduction, the article refers to Australia as a continent, surely the continent is either Australasia or Oceania? Australia is a country within this continent... 86.181.32.226 (talk) 12:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

The definition of a continent varies. Personally, I agree with you, but Australasia and Oceania are frequently considered "regions" rather than "continents". I wouldn't have any objection to changing it for the purposes of this article, though - as said, I prefer the definition of Oceania as a continent and Australia as a country within it. -Kudzu1 (talk) 13:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The main reason I brought this up was to avoid confusion between the continent and the country. 81.151.22.123 (talk) 19:01, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Just to head this off at the pass...[edit]

No, the Vancouver riots do not count as part of the impact of the Arab Spring. :P -Kudzu1 (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Eritrea[edit]

I notice that there is an article titled "The Arab Spring Inspires The Eritrean Spring" here in the ethiopian journal. I'm aware there are tensions between the ethiopia and eritrea so I don't know if it counts as a reliable source? Is there an eritrean spring? EdwardLane (talk) 22:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Israel[edit]

I think the huge protests should be included here, so I did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.1.10 (talk) 14:55, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

They are already mentioned. Impact_of_the_Arab_Spring#Israel komap (talk) 15:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Scope of Article[edit]

I’m having a little trouble with the title ‘Impact of the Arab Spring…’. In most of the descriptions of protests in this article, the connection between the Arab Spring and other protests around the world seems sparse, or perhaps just implied. Many of the protests are cited without any explanation of how the Arab Spring supposedly influenced the protests, and in other cases the relationship between the two is debatable (did Arab Spring really influence the Greek protests? The financial crisis in Greece is the basis of Greek protests, and that has been building up for a long time). And just because a few people wave Egyptian flags during the protests in Wisconsin and Ohio, and just because the issues might be construed as being similar, it doesn't mean that the Arab Spring actually influenced the Ohio and Wisconsin protests. (I would guess that most people in those states have only the faintest awareness of protests in the Arab world.) And again, just because Noam Chomsky states that the protests in the Arab World and in the U.S. consist of similar "struggles for labor rights and democracy" doesn't mean that the Arab Spring actually influenced the protests in Wisconsin. Where is the evidence of influence? And if there is evidence, let's show it on the page. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?Beecher70 (talk) 03:10, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Totally agree. At any given time, there are protests in some parts of the world. The protests in Iran, for example, I believe were inspired by the Arab Spring. However, protest in Greece, the US, and in other parts of the world were not. These protests would have taken place even if the Arab Spring had never happened. The whole premise of this article is very sketchy, and I wouldn't be oppossed to deleting the article all together. Loro-rojo (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't disagree with you that the Greek protests would have taken place anyway, but they would not have taken the form that they have. Had it not been for the Spanish and Arab protets, the Greek protests would most likely have taken the form of previous protests in Greece, that is to say violent. However, the current protests have seen only 3 days of violence (instigated by the police to a great extent) while protests have been going on since 25 May 2011. Additionally the impact of the Spanish and Arab protests on the Greek ones is present in Sytagma Square by means of flags (Tunisian and Egyptian flags are not uncommon, as are Spanish and Argentine ones), the fact that people had set up camps inside the square, and in the use of the social networking sites to organize the protests. News corporations such as Euronews and the BBC have also related the Greek protests with the Arab ones.--Philly boy92 (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
(Hard to disagree with anyone from Philly, being a lifelong Phillies and Eagles fan myself.) Your point is good--the Arab Spring doesn't have to cause protests elsewhere as long as they at least significantly influence the way that the protests are conducted. So, can we separate the article into those protests that really aren't related to Arab Spring and those that are? Then we really need to delete those countries whose connection is negligible and focus the article on those for which there is a significant influence. And for the ones that seem to be connected, there needs to be good references. Does that sound reasonable? Anybody want to start making a case for those that should be retained or deleted? Beecher70 (talk) 00:24, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
The ones I'm most knowledgeable about are the events in Azerbaijan and Armenia, both of which seem highly related (and at one point actually were included in the article now called Arab Spring). Ditto the Kurdish protests in Turkey. The Gabonese protests seem related as well. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
The difficulty with this page is that it’s hard to assess influence or causality. Al Jazeera has a good article entitled ‘a continent’s discontent’ (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/04/201141014942125983.html) which doesn’t necessarily explain the relationship between the Arab Spring and protests in, say, Ivory Coast (Cote d’Ivoire), but it’s not a stretch to conceive of unrest sweeping through a continent, even if the underlying issues—not to mention religion, government, and culture—are dissimilar. When unrest spreads to a bordering country, or one with similar culture, religion, or ethnicity, even intuitively you can think in terms of influence. But the protests in Wisconsin almost certainly had little or no connection with Arab Spring. So in many cases it may not be possible to determine whether a protest is or is not related to Arab Spring. Perhaps the answer lies in changing articles title to something like ‘Worldwide Political and Social Unrest – 2011’. Beecher70 (talk) 19:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
In some countries the protesters say they are affected by the Arab Spring. In my opinion, that proves the impact. I have noticed that that source puts Djiboutian protests into "Arab Spring": "Djibouti witnessed protests between January and March that some say are part of the ongoing revolutionary protests taking place in northern Africa and the Middle East." Kavas (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. As for Djibouti, it was moved from the Arab Spring article because of a consensus decision by the editors to shift the focus from geographic to geopolitical/cultural (Arabs are a minority in Djibouti). But it was pretty clearly related. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
That doesn't seem to pass the WP:COMMON smell test. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Placement of Djibouti[edit]

Because one of the national languages of Djibouti is Arabic, I believe the section on that nation would be better placed in the article Arab Spring. Jesus geek (talk) 21:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Arabs are a minority in Djibouti, even if Arabic is an official language, so I disagree. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

2011 Chilean protests[edit]

Should the 2011 Chilean protests be under part of the Impact of the Arab Spring? 115.132.143.220 (talk) 03:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

October 15th and all that[edit]

How are we going to start treating it? I've been trying to add that in hereEricl (talk) 14:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Impact of the Global Recession[edit]

I'm not sure about an exact title, but isn't the Arab Spring and the wider unrest included in this article as part of the 'Impact of the Arab Spring' actually just one globalized Revolutionary Wave. For example, the Greeks had been protesting long before the Arab Spring. I'm not denying the Arab Spring wasn't an influence, but I think that some of the causes of the Arab Spring are the same, as those in Europe and further afield. I think the unifying trigger is the global recession.

--82.1.124.201 (talk) 19:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

What: Main article: 2010-2011 Greek protests The impact of the Arab Spring and the 2011 Spanish protests was a major source of influence for the latest wave of anti-government protests in Greece.[59][60]

Were the Greek protests not an influence on the Spanish and Arab Spring? Since they began before them????--82.1.124.201 (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

IRAN[edit]

Iranian protests are raised from their 2009 President election, and its not after 2011. Therefore it seems Arab Spring come from it not wise verse. Wikipector (talk) 03:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia as propaganda tool[edit]

I has long held suspicion that wikipedia has turned into western propaganda tool. Just read this article, the china section is longer than US section, while jasmine revolution was just a quick event that not interested many chinese, while Occupy Movement in US has been going for months and plagued by police brutality and violence arrests, hundreds of arrests and properties damaged.......but non of these facts showed up in this article.

Wikipedia is not a good source to find neutral and non-biased information just like other major US news media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.136.52.90 (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an international forum, but remember that most users here on the english version are (A) American and (B) citing media available to them such as CNN. Bias is unavoidable in any project, but if you feel a certain section could be more balanced feel free to make changes and discuss ideas. --ERAGON (talk) 19:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

This article should be deleted[edit]

This article is pack full of OR. It is simply a list of protests in 2011, many of which have zero relationship to the Arab spring. I cannot see any reason for keeping it. Click on the individual country protest articles and for the vast majority of them there has been no connection made whatsover. This talk page is full of people commenting that this article is all wrong. It smacks of campaigners having too much of a field day.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 17:04, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll second that. I removed some items from the list, in cases where they clearly weren't a consequence of the arab spring and there were no sources establishing a serious connection; but the text was swiftly reverted back in. bobrayner (talk) 19:57, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Although the result of the AfD was "Keep", there were comments along the lines of "Anything without proper references should go", &c. bobrayner (talk) 21:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep up the good work, BobRayner. I'll revert any attempts to re-add material without proper references as well. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Russia[edit]

I got the impression recent protests in Russia are somewhat related, even though election issues there are also a cause? -- Beland (talk) 13:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Impact Map- What Counts and What Doesn't?[edit]

I put together an uploaded the long-awaited map for this article, its now visible on the main page. The major issue we have now is whether the protests I have marked down count as being influenced directly by the Arab Spring. For the most part I have ignored the occupy protests; there are also ones such as the Georgian protests which are not listed on this article but are mentioned on the main Arab Spring page that are now on the map.

Are there any protests you think should be added or removed from the map? Myronberg has already proposed using alternate colours for non-arab countries, but I wanted to hear the consensus of the community before I go and make any major changes.--ERAGON (talk) 17:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Are these actually inspired by it?[edit]

Is there any proof that most of these other world movements were inspired by the Arab Spring and weren't just coincidentaly happening around the same time? I mean I severely doubt that anti-austerity protests in the UK were inspired by the Arab Spring. Mishka Shaw (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Normally we would rely on what reliable sources say. If there's a reliable source which says Protest X or Y was inspired by the Arab Spring, it should be in this list; if not it should be removed. A few months ago, I removed quite a lot of unrelated content; maybe it's time for some spring cleaning... bobrayner (talk) 13:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
The Northern Cyprus section seems to have got added yet again. It has seven sources, none of which say that the events in Northern Cyprus were inspired by the "Arab Spring". Why do people keep on reinserting original research? bobrayner (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Kudzu1 reinserted the section, saying "sources bear out relationship to Arab Spring". Why? None of the seven sources say that the events in Northern Cyprus were inspired by the "Arab Spring". bobrayner (talk) 20:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Kudzu1, can you explain? bobrayner (talk) 02:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Kudzu1 reinserted the section, saying "sources bear out relationship to Arab Spring", but none of the seven sources say that the events in Northern Cyprus were inspired by the "Arab Spring". This fails WP:V. Kudzu1, can you explain? bobrayner (talk) 13:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
None of the seven sources say that the events in Northern Cyprus were inspired by the "Arab Spring". That means it is original research. Kudzu1, can you explain? bobrayner (talk) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your patience. I haven't been paying much attention to this article lately. It appears one of the sources in Turkish was misrepresented by whoever originally added that section (either to Arab Spring before it was moved or to this page directly), as I ran it through translation software and I'm not seeing the comparison to Egypt that the text described. I won't object to the section's removal. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
And I might add that if you want to get my attention in the future, try my Talk page. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

OWS soures[edit]

Can I use this slate source that timeline's the occupy protest.

//www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/features/2011/occupy_wall_street/what_is_ows_a_complete_timeline.html

If not do I have to get a source that is at or near the date of that event taking place. Picaxe01 (talk) 4:57, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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