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Q: What is the difference between Imperialism and Colonialism?
A: There is a common misunderstanding between Imperialism and Colonialism. The former is (according to the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics) the "domination or control by one country or group of people over others". It is quite clear that European colonialism falls under this categorisation. However, with this definition, we must accept that imperialism is not exclusive to Europeans in the 18th to 20th centuries.
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The problem isn't that is should have a definition, its that imperialism is not a "big boner that comes on everyone".

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the first line should read, "Imperialism, AS defined......." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.61.79.54 (talk) 02:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Criticism Section is too long![edit]

It's way overdone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.192.71 (talk) 00:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Editorial Inquiry on "Benign" Imperialism in "Canada"[edit]

This article states that imperialism can be "relatively benign as in Canada, or brutal as in the Congo Free State.[8]"

A bit of research about the indigenous peoples of British North America or the Metis should bring this statement into question.

24.67.195.233 (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree, I'm having a really hard time coming up with an example of benign imperialism. First, we'd have to rule out examples in which indigenous peoples were oppressed, displaced, or eliminated. We'd then have to rule out places in which people imported from elsewhere were subjected to cruel conditions (such as slavery or other exploitative forms of labor). The closest situations I can come up with would be Iceland under Danish rule, Svalbard under Norwegian rule, and Saint Pierre and Miquelon under French rule. The latter two might not even count considering they are still territory of Norway and France. --74.103.150.125 (talk) 06:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Dear sir, you`re having a hard time because the concept of benign is exogenous to the imperialist phenomenon. It is what it is: power over other people. Of course authority can produce good and so does imperial power, but that is not a point that needs to be made in a whole section. Particularly, "examples" of imperialism will always look double-faced through ethical lenses. Imperialism is not about being good, it is about being imperial. Notwithstanding the relevance of imperialism on ethical issues, what this article needs is to conceptualize it, relating it to basic modern phenomena like the rise of nation states and the international division of labor. Ideally, rhe historical section should not stop until we reached today. That would make a good article for wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.60.11.222 (talk) 05:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Imperialism and Capitalism[edit]

Really? No discussion on that? No mention whatsoever to the most basic characteristic of imperialism according to its most worldwide influential definition? I mean, no one needs to be a leninist to acknowledge that imperialism is closely related to industrialization, the second industrial revolution particularly (you know, railroads, steel and stuff), and the distribution of capital and labor on a world scale by powerful states. It is a pity that an entire section is dedicated to the soviet imperialism (a very interesting case, for sure), while no mention to the intricate relationship between the creation of ussr and the concept of imperialism is presented to the reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.60.11.222 (talk) 04:50, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I count at least 3 items from the See Also south. The framing of "socialist imperialism" as an accusation could be counted as implicit one in the body of the article. Prolly best you can do ATM. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 11:29, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Love the wikilink for Barbara Bush - must make for interesting table talk with Dubya! Perhaps this one? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 12:36, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The second paragraph ("Imperialism always involves the massive export of capital to foreign countries for the purpose of exploiting and dominating both their labor forces and their markets. Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism, represents the stage at which a country's consumers cannot buy all the products that have been produced, and additional markets must be sought after. The dominant feature of imperialism is the repatriation of invested capitalis current") is currently an unsourced wild claim that clashes with the broader definition of the first paragraph, and moreover simply repeats to 100% an extremely partisan (Leninism) view that is, contrary to what the first comment in this section states, far from being the 'most basic characteristic'. To restate the obvious: imperialism is not 'closely related' to industrialisiation, not least as it is not restricted to the 19th/20th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.4.250.108 (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

Leaving ethical considerations aside, it would be nice to see how the character of imperialism changed over time - references of Empires being built on a fit of absent mindedness might be appropriate, but let more qualified people decide that. It would also be helpful to elaborate on the differences in character of various colonial empires - The British Empire deserves a section of its own here, it would be the first empire that would come to mind when anyone mentions imperialism. I would like to see justifications - not justifications in that sense, but a motive behind empire building for each major colonial empire and how that character changed with time: from the empires of the New World to New Imperialism, at least. It would also be relevant(I think) to mention how the entire concept faded away giving rise to nation states of today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.242.128.130 (talk) 06:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Under US Imperialism, it states, and I quote; "The early United States expressed its opposition to Imperialism". Some may have, but the founding fathers, and here I include Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, and Adams, were all quoted as agreeing with, and promoting, imperialism from historical quotes and writing. Then, we go on to Jackson's taking of Florida, and the historical how and why. From this, the US was mostly founded on imperialism, and the statement quoted above would be a fallacy. Being such, imperialism in the US goes all the way back to a time before 1776, and not the late 1800's. I agree that qualified people should take a look at several things in this article, and the United States is one of them.--Craxd (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Imperialism/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 07:08, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I would ordinarily quickfail this article.

Overview
  • "Britain, France, the Netherlands, Portugal, and Spain in Africa, Asia, and the Americas." is this a sentence?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Age of Imperialism

This article needs to be reworked. I am going to fail this now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Wording?[edit]

I'm new to this, but early on it says "It's generally accepted that modern day colonialism is an expression of imperialism and cannot exist without the latter. The extent to which "informal" imperialism with no formal colonies is properly described as such remains a controversial topic among historians." Doesnt that show some degree of bias/ an opinion presented as a fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.185.195 (talk) 23:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

ONE DEFINITION OF IMPERIALISM

There is only one definition of Imperialism, that expounded on by Vladimir Lenin. Imperialism is State monopoly capitalism, the main superpower now being the United States. It began after free market capitalism gave way to Monopoly capitalism around the end of the 19th century. It is more pronounced today than ever and will be replaced by socialism and then communism, the highest most advanced stage of human society. Furthermore, colonialism is just a bourgeois term for free market capitalism.

This article is just a mish mash of pluralist and 'neutral' opinions. The Roman Empire was not an Imperialist system. It was a slave owning society preceding the feudal socio-ecomomic system. This clever pluralist interaction of different factors and definitions by Wikipedia "authors" only leaves one bleary eyed and agnostic and numbs people's minds to the truth of Marxism-Leninism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.239.250.100 (talk) 05:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

It isn't. The existence of neocolonialism is still disputed. This is made quite clear in the International Encyclopedia of the Social & Behavioral Sciences on page 7232, saying "For some, [neocolonialism] is a virulent form of modern imperialism. For others, the absence of intent negates the political relationship. Neocolonialism remains a contested concept". Secondarily, the Roman Empire was an imperialist system. The definition of imperialism, provided by the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics, is the "domination or control by one country or group of people over others". The Roman Empire fits under that (exampli gratia: the invasions of Judaea, Gallia, Germania, Africa, Aegyptus, Dacia, etc). You're confusing the concepts of Imperialism with Colonisation. Definitions must stay relevant. Ifly6 (talk) 05:38, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Humble link request[edit]

Could someone link Lewis Samuel Feuer to his wiki page, please and future thank you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.89.220.148 (talk) 22:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. All you have to do is add double brackets around the name of the article to "wikilink" to it: [[ ]]. I do a "show preview" before I save to make sure the article actually exists (name of article will appear in red if article doesn't exist). Ghostofnemo (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Common use of the word imperialism[edit]

Currently, relying upon a single citation of a Swedish source (Magnusson, Lars (1991). Teorier om imperialism (in Swedish). Södertälje. p. 19. ISBN 91-550-3830-1.) the article asserts:

The word imperialism became common in the United Kingdom in the 1870s and was used with a negative connotation.

A quick glance at the entry for imperialism, n 1. in the Oxford English Dictionary shows that the 1870s' time frame for this assertion, but not the negative connotation, is contradicted by the evidence of common usage, viz:

Etymology: < imperial adj. and n. + -ism suffix: after imperialist.

1. An imperial system of government; the rule of an emperor, esp. when despotic or arbitrary.

1858 Westm. Rev. Oct. 344 To lower the intellectual vigour of the nation,..to exhibit to the world how the waywardness of mind will yield beneath the compression of a stern resolution—these are the tasks set itself by Imperialism.

1861 C. H. Pearson Early & Middle Ages Eng. xxxiv, Roman imperialism had divided the world into master and slave.

1861 G. Smith Irish Hist. 18 There appears to be in the Keltic race a strong tendency to what is called Imperialism.

1869 Times 15 Oct., Imperialism, or, indeed, any worse form of despotism.

1870 Daily News 8 Sept. 3 That this meeting begs to express its delight at the downfall of Imperialism in France, and the proclamation in lieu thereof of the Republic.

124.186.104.184 (talk) 03:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Islamic imperialism[edit]

no mention of the Islamic caliphate, which fits all of the traits of an colonial empire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.179.178 (talk) 19:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Map information?[edit]

The Scramble for Africa

The article contains this image, there is no information on the image page or the article page under the image on what the different colours are, who's empires these areas of land were within; Only "scramble for Africa" is written. In the article there is also no year mentioned, although 1913 is mentioned on the image page, but the colour's meanings as well as the year really should appear under the image in the article, otherwise the image is not very useful at all.  Carlwev  11:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit]

Seriously, I think this article just needs to be rewritten. It is unfocused and makes no mention of a theoretical framework for understanding imperialism. I think we should organise an outline based on the different sections which lay claim to it, starting with a focus on:

  • Political Science
  • Sociology
  • Colonialism

The production of an outline for this article would be fantastic so we can actually organise the thing, because its focus right now is completely variable between sections and it really shows the differences between the authors which have worked on it in the past. Ifly6 (talk) 04:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Capitalisation of Imperialism[edit]

The article uses variable capitalisation of imperialism. I feel that it should be lowercase in all forms unless starting a sentence.

For example, I mean:

  • British imperialism
  • For us, imperialism is the...
  • Imperialism led to [x]. However, by [y], imperialism and empire-building [blah].

Ifly6 (talk) 05:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Imperialism#Italy[edit]

imo, there should also be a section "Italy". --Neun-x (talk) 05:11, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Robert Michels (1910): Elemente zur Entstehungsgeschichte des Imperialismus in Italien => http://catalog.hathitrust.org

What's going on?[edit]

So, what's going on with the sudden flurry of edits by just-registered editors? The edits seem legit, but something's very fishy ... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm guessing this might be an unregistered class? I've informed the Education program here. Pinging the new accounts that have been editing here; could you perhaps shed some light on the situation?
@Dannyt19, Alikoca190, Matt.Faf, Yorkie15, Yangjasmine, Syim912, and Kjamjamz:, @Feras.yahya, AkuraJ, Dutchstig, Rachellfaithh, Jessiiee14, IC-edit, and Sikseb:, @Trausnitz, NasraAhmed, Tlux211, Emilybourke, Sara.koopman, and RyanRAM: Sunrise (talk) 20:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I've replied to the note at WP:ENI. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Repeated manipulation of sourced material[edit]

I added material a while ago that has repeatedly been manipulated, it said a scholar describing the existence of progressive empires and regressive empires. Britain and ancient Rome were what he regarded as progressive empires, he regarded Nazi Germany as a regressive empire. That material was altered in the past, and I restored it. Just now I noticed that it was obnoxiously altered by removing any reference to Nazi Germany, and instead of saying Britain and ancient Rome as being what the scholar saw as progressive empires, that was replaced with the Portuguese Empire.

Sigh, Jesus Christ!

I'm tired of fixing this repeated vandalism so I've removed that material I added in the past. It's apparent that a very significant portion of editors on this article are immature people acting idiotically out of perhaps bias, or perhaps just to be a pain in the ass. The fact that other users here did not notice "British Empire" being changed to "Portuguese Empire" as being something that appeared to be a manipulation of the content, that is also highly disappointing.--174.88.218.170 (talk) 23:45, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

POV tone criticizing the topic[edit]

This article has a POV tone criticizing the topic that is very apparent in the intro by focusing above all on the criticisms of imperialism rather than on a NPOV definition of what imperialism is. Imperialism has indeed become a word of slander, however in history there were imperialist sentiments had positive connotations commonly in reference to spreading civilization and uplifting societies deemed to be backwards by the imperial power, such as the case of the Roman Empire or British Empire in India.

I am not posting this to either promote the idea of imperialism nor condemn it, I am posting this to address a concern that the article is not presenting the whole picture well. It is focusing too much on claims made in history condemning imperialism while not acknowledging the claims that have been made in history justifying it.--174.88.218.57 (talk) 18:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! :-) If you think that changes should be made to an article, the best approach is to start by fixing it yourself, using statements that can be cited to reliable sources. If anyone objects, they will undo your changes and then the issue can be discussed. Sunrise (talk) 22:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
The Wikipedia rules WP:NPOV do not require editors to be neutral about imperialism. They require that all serious analytic viewpoints included in the article, in approximate proportion to their importance in the scholarly literature. So for there to be a problem that has to be important interpretation that got left out or seriously downplayed. User 174.88.218.57 needs to specify exactly what that Missing Interpretation is before he could tag the article has problematic. Rjensen (talk) 02:45, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
As matter of fact most literature is negative about imperialism. Popular usage is pejorative and academics researching it criticizes it with same naturality an academic of slavery has little sympathy for that institution. Of course, there also are serious voices that proclaim certain benign effects of imperialism. Dentren | Talk 11:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Why is Britain listed twice on the powers list?[edit]

On the country list Britain is listed first, but then above the USA it is again listed, but this time under 'Great Britain.' Is there a specific reason for this? Or is it just an error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TC9078 (talkcontribs) 04:22, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Imperialism and Colonialism[edit]

In 1920 Galsworthy wrote in In Chancery (p. 294 Wordworth Classics) "the Colonial disposition to own oneself ... is the paradoxical forerunner of Imperialism”. This must have had some clear and distinct meaning for him. I do not understand it and the first section of the article does not help. It may be worth working on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.113.15 (talk) 10:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Merger with Imperialism[edit]

Hi, I was recently editing the page Imperialism and I have come to realize that they are virtually the same thing and such research as I have conducted has not proven otherwise. Anyone against this idea or any reason why it has not happening already or if I am looking over some important factor? Thank you. --Jackery01 (talk) 20:05, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Imperialism is not just about military acquisition of territory[edit]

I was reading over this page about a year ago and it seems that there have been some massive changes to the page. A lot of the changes have begun to push an incorrect narrative of Imperialism, and omitted the fact that Imperialism is not simply about military acquisition of territory. Its about exerting political dominance on others through either through military force or diplomacy (and other soft power influences, such as trade, culture, religion, etc...). The active removal and omission of the so call soft power influences on the page needs to stop because it perpetrating an incorrect narrative that is leaving out half of the actual concept of imperialism.

This is from the UK's English definition of Imperialism from Oxford Dictionary. "A policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." [1]

This is from the US's definition of Imperialism from Oxford Dictionary. "A policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." [2]

Also there are 4 essays in 2 separate chapters of the book "American Compared: American History in International Perspective, Volume II: Since 1865" by Carl J. Guarneri that talk about the various forms of imperialism. The differences between Greek, Roman, British, and American imperialism. And how American imperialism largely differs from the more traditionally mainstream imperialism of the British Empire, and Romans. 69.228.32.133 (talk) 17:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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