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- 1 Concur
- 2 Album
- 3 Riff
- 4 Heavy
- 5 Backwards
- 6 Acid rock
- 7 Second Simpsons reference
- 8 No Cover Availible?
- 9 Musical score snippet
- 10 Fair use rationale for Image:In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.jpg
- 11 LinkBot removed reference to official Nash The Slash myspace page
- 12 More tags!
- 13 Fansite
- 14 Refimprove
- 15 Image copyright problem with File:Boney M. - Children Of Paradise (1980 single).jpg
- 16 Drum Solo - 'Tribal'?
- 17 pop culture reference "Cheers"
- 18 pop culture reference "La Femme Nikita"
- 19 Requested move
- 20 Radio DJ
- 21 Pop culture reference Leisure Suit Larry: Love for Sail!
- 22 Gypsies. Them damned GYPSIES!
- 23 Manhunter and Nas
- 24 Definitive radio-station/5:04 edit of song?
- 25 Original Title/Meaning of Name
- 26 External links modified
- 27 Home Improvement
- 28 Shin jung hyeon's cover version
Concur with most other commenters. The person who wrote this article is a moron.
The song features a memorable, "endless, droning minor-key riff," guitar and bass ostinato,
which is repeated throughout nearly the entire length of the song.
No, it's not.
The "song" part, 2 minutes at the beginning and 2 minutes at the end, is about half riff, and half chorus and stuff. From 2:00 to 6:22, there are solos over the riff. From 6:22 (the drum solo) to 15:00 (the last verse) the riff only appears for thirty seconds, from 12:30 to 13:00. So in total there's about 7 minutes of riff and 10 minutes of not-riff. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- Yep, I clocked it myself and it came in at only about six minutes and twenty seconds of the riff. I put in a temporary correction to that part and am about to do a minor rewrite so that it all makes sense.--Martin IIIa (talk) 22:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- "Heavy" is the title of the first Iron Butterfly album, which does not contain the song, "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida". That album probably deserves an article, because it did sell well when originally released. (It has not been rereleased on compact disc to the best of my knowledge, however.) This might be a good link for it: Heavy (Iron Butterfly album) - Two Halves
What about the silly controversy regarding playing the song backwards? The closest thing I can make out to a "secret, backwards message" in this particular song is "you will all die" but it's clear that the whole backwards-message phenomenon is an urban legend.
Are you saying all backwords messages are urban legans? Because that's just not true. There are numerous documented backwords songs in beatles songs (Look for "Paul is dead" on wikipedia) alone that I do not think could be coincidence. Obviously the whole "Paul is dead" thing is nothing more than a silly joke being played on the fans by those silly brits. User:Foolster41
The Paul is Dead "clues" are incredibly vague and have never been confirmed. - User:Judynue
"Here's to my sweet Satan" is clearly audible in "Stairway to Heaven. The band claims not to have used "backwards masking". I have played the song backwards on LP, as well as using audio software and a CD version. It occurs in the line "There's still time to change the road you're on". -seanWM- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, that was actually a bad example, and looking again at what the first poster wrote, it looks like I misunderstood, and the person is saying not saying ALL backwards messages (backmasking) doesn't happen, just all the stuff with this one song doesn't. Foolster41 (talk) 21:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Ushered in acid rock? what about East-West a year earlier.
Second Simpsons reference
In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida is referenced in another Simpsons episode - Homer catches the end of the song on his car radio as the DJ announces, "That was a rare, extended version of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida", obviously playing on the fact that the song is very long to begin with.188.8.131.52
No, the joke would rather more obviously be that, with radio normally playing the 3' single version, the DJ was ignorant of the popularity of the original, "uncut" version.--JeR (talk) 07:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
No Cover Availible?
On the right hand info column, it claims that there is "No Cover Availible", when at the bottom of the article we see the album art plain as day. Could someone please fix this; I'm not very trifty with Wiki code. Smileman66 06:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sorted that out, but it probably makes the other one a bit redundant. Dunno if it wants replacing or removing or what. Icefox 00:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Availible? You see why Wikipedia is a fucking joke?
Musical score snippet
Is this riff really in 4/4? I don't have the recording in front of me, but I remember it sounding as though it were in 2/2. Is the score snippet from some reasonably valid source? BrianTung (talk) 19:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, there really is a controversy (going back about two hundred years) of 4/4 and 2/2. Some composers and arrangers figure that since beat two and four in 4/4 are not accented it is essentially the same as 2/2 (which is a measure simply counted in two). And so, 2/2 is just 4/4. Beethoven used 2/2 indiscriminately, as just another way of writing 4/4 (and, knowing him, just playing around... the guy had a sense of humor). Also, for many, 2/2 is cut time (written with a C that has a line down the middle of it) but for others 2/2 and cut time are distinct time signatures (with cut time being 4/4 played twice as fast). This leads to all sorts of confusions and big pronouncements from people. The sort where someone will say, "The Oxford Dictionary of Music clearly states that..." or "My old teacher, Leonard Bernstein, was of the distinct impression that... "
I will say that, academically, there is a distinction between 4/4 and 2/2 (and will even add cut time as a kind of 2/2 that you don't play twice as fast as 4/4 [ an argument within an argument as some say 2/2 to mean cut time] but depending on the kind of musician you are (Rock, Jazz, Classical etc. ) where and how you got your education and where in the world you live and, further, your own quirky disposition, your interpretation of these particular time signatures will vary.
I'm not saying that is the way it should be. I'm saying that that is the way it is, no matter what official sources say. I know I'm going to regret writing this... Gingermint (talk) 22:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a b flat in the key signature if it is in d minor? It is actually unclear whether the riff is in dorian or minor, but if it is in minor, the image needs to have a b flat in the time signature, and if it's in dorian then Stephen Thomas Erlewine was wrong when he called it a "minor-key riff." One of these should be rectified. Michaeljsimm (talk) 02:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
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LinkBot removed reference to official Nash The Slash myspace page
I added a link to the Official Nash The Slash myspace page  where Nash The Slash released his version of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida prior to album release but the link bot removed it. Just adding this information in here in case anyone considers it to be a relevant link to add.
Could we have a few more lovely tags on this article, please? How about "Article about a song which is unpopular in Nagorny-Karabach". And please don't justify the tag on the discussion page. Maikel (talk) 08:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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Drum Solo - 'Tribal'?
What made this particular drum solo unique was its surreal tribal sound.
I assume this is a technical term, but is it entirely appropriate here? This solo sounds rather martial/military to me. It's in march time, isn't it? I always assumed the musician had worked in or at least studied military drumming.
There are some things that can be considered editorializing but this is a case where I find the sentence more a matter of description rather than anything else. Tribal is a good description. Martial would indicate a greater crispness, a crystalline sort of perfection. But there you have it. Someone might think the drum solo bellicose and hence military. It all comes down to the difficulty of describing music. I do think, though, that this bit of description does not cross the line of description verses editorializing. Gingermint (talk) 22:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
pop culture reference "Cheers"
I am recalling an episode of "Cheers", Sam is trying to discover the song that is supposed to trigger a sexual response in Rebecca and proceeds to play her various songs. When he played In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, her response was something like, "Yeah right. In high school, I was INSANE!" Anyone know the episode title and the exact quote?
pop culture reference "La Femme Nikita"
The instrumental and drum solo portions of the song underscore a significant section in the middle of "La Femme Nikita" episode "Sympathy For The Devil" (Season 4, Episode 7), which deals with Viet Nam vets and drug use (nicely tying together both the era and psychedelia). Not having heard the song all the way through since sometime in junior high, I'm not at all sure what bits of the song they cut into the soundtrack, but it was instantly recognizable.
It was common, back in the day, for Radio DJ's to play this song, because of its length, so they could use the restroom or do other time-consuming things. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 21:06, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Pop culture reference Leisure Suit Larry: Love for Sail!
Gypsies. Them damned GYPSIES!
Manhunter and Nas
hello all, just wondered why no-one has mentioned the use of this song in Michael Mann's Manhunter ( the first hanibal leckter film). It is a great example of Mann's ability to fit existing music into a scene, or make the scene fit the song. Also Hip hop is dead is a great song making good use of a gadda da vida sample, sorry but I like both. XV106 (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Definitive radio-station/5:04 edit of song?
The current article (July 2016) discusses a particular 5:04 edit of the song as being the definitive edit:
Another edit, supplied to some radio stations, runs at 5:04. It includes the first verse, about 20 seconds each of the organ and guitar solos, part of the drum solo segueing into the drum/bass solo, the final verse, and the closing of the song. It is considered to be a definitive edit of the song.
I have not heard of such an edit nor could I found any evidence of such an edit. Apart from searching for this version, I checked all 178 albums, 35 singles and 1 Mexican EP on discogs.com, 56 albums on rateyourmusic.com and all singles on 45cat.com. If the main details for each of those 300+ total releases did not have the track length, I checked the release images, when present, for the track length. Only one of them had a studio (I assume) release around 5:04 in length - this Netherlands single at 4:57 (catalogue: Atlantic 2091 213). It is worth noting that discogs.com and 45cat.com are particularly good for finding promo and radio-station-only releases and that, between the main details and release images, the vast majority of singles had track lengths. The vast majority of singles with track lengths were the normal 2:52 single though there were several others, 3:10 being the most common.
There is a 5:12 live version that appeared on a single released in France in 1968. This version can be found on the B-side of this release (catalogue: ATCO 10.048). The single media label has the description "(Instrumental Featuring Drums And Organ)". Another 5:12 version, quite likely the same one, appears on European CD releases like this one (catalogue: Salvo SALVOCD071). It is described on the back cover as "French B-Side Live Edit" and on the front cover (sticker?) as "live instrumental edit".
There are no, or scant, references on the web to a 5:04 studio edit. As the article describes it as "definitive", I assume it is a studio edit so the 5:12 live edit is likely not the edit the article is referring to. The 4:57 Netherlands edit could be this edit but that is far from certain. As such, I feel stating that this edit is "definitive" is dubious. If there were sufficient consensus to consider calling it the definitive edit on Wikipedia, one would expect at least some discussion on the web if not actual releases with said version.
As such, I have added a citation needed tag in the article referring to the talk page.
- "It is considered to be a definitive edit of the song." is just WP:WEASEL WORDS anyway. I'm going to delete that sentence, while retaining the citation needed tag because we do need a source that the radio edit as described actually exists.--Martin IIIa (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Original Title/Meaning of Name
I have consolidated a number of sections that discuss the original title or meaning of the track/album name. I believe this is in accordance with Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. I have tried to preserve signatures and even fix the formatting/indenting. This was a tricky, though valuable, edit. I'm very sorry if I missed something.
(Original section: Ingle):
- As far as I know, the bit about Doug Ingle slurring the title is just a story, even if it's an often-heard story. It deserves mention, but I'd rather not have it stated as fact. Isomorphic 23:54, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
(Original section: Title):
- I'm not completely sure, but i think the title of this song is actually "In The Garden Of Eden". Again, I really do not know, so please don't get mad at me. Mind Surfer 03:43, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"; I've got the original LP. Unrelated: The article had claimed that the drum solo lasts fourteen minutes, which just isn't true. With an extended organ solo and guitar solo in addition to the verse and chorus, there's not enough room. I'll see if I can get an exact time later. Deltabeignet 05:56, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
- Roughly two and a half minutes from the first drum roll until Bushy goes back to rhythm. Deltabeignet 05:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
(Original section: "In the Garden of Eden", as seen on VH1's Top 100 One Hit Wonders):
- The band members in an interview admit that the real title is in-fact "In the Garden of Eden", and that the singer (I don't know his name) was so drunk at the time that he couldn't say the words properly - and thus altered the song title accordingly.
- I'm not a big fan, but I did see this on the William Shatner hosted show on VH1. The references should probably be fixed. --Mespinola 21:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
(Original section: in the garden of EDEN):
- actualy the original title was "in the garden of EDEN" not Venus. where da hell did Venus com from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I have updated the article adding a quote from the "Iron Butterfly Named #1 Drum Solo Of All Time!" section of the press page (as of July 16, 2016) on Iron Butterfly's official web site that states:
was supposed to have been named "In The Garden of Eden," but the singer was slurring his words when he told Ron Bushy, the drummer, the title, and the garbled name stuck. That’s rock for you!
Now, if this is factual or just the story the band wants on the record, I can't say. However, as it is on the band's official website, I believe it should be considered fact until shown otherwise.
That said, the second show on disc 2 (April 27, 1968) of the Rhino "Fillmore East 1968" CD is introduced with:
- This is called 'In Our [sic] Gadda Da Vida' ... which doesn't mean a damn thing!
It should be noted that this recording predates both the LP and single releases.
There's some nice contradictory details direct from the band :) . Let's dig up the truth!
Note that I searched in vain to find a video for the "VH1's Top 100 One Hit Wonders" referenced above. If I ever catch a rerun of this, I'll note the exact text here. I request other Wikipedians to do the same.
Comedian Bruce Baum is well known for using a paper bag to re-create rock 'N roll songs. He has played (satirized?) the drum solo from this song on several occasions and at several lengths. A short version is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qJvIT4qXrs
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Shin jung hyeon's cover version
Korean psychedelic rock musician Shin jung hyeon covered this song in his 1970 live album In A Kadda Da Vida. In Wikipedia's article "Shin Jung Hyeon", You can see this album. LSM1204 (talk) 02:58, 16 July 2017 (UTC)