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bad link[edit]

The chronology links to the Linda Ronstadt "You're No Good", it should link to a Terry Riley page for "You're No Good". DLM 22:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

eighth note pulse[edit]

I've seen something written about this piece where it's stated that the pulse should preferably be played by an attractive woman, but the program notes on the otherminds score don't mention it; is my brain playing tricks on me again? Mindspillage (spill your mind?) 22:19, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • chuckle* I can't recall ever having seen that stipulation before. I've just been Googling around, and I found a report from the 2001 Western Canada Stick Seminar which says Actually, and more specifically, the instructions call for the pulse to be played by a beautiful woman on the piano. But that's all I can find, and there's no reference to where they obtained their version of the instructions. --Kay Dekker 20:23, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hah, I found it, in the performance notes of the edition I have in print. Preferably played by a beautiful woman, indeed. Too colorful a detail to be left out. Mindspillage (spill your mind?) 22:15, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Alas, my computer is hardly a beautiful woman... --Kay Dekker 03:45, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I also note that my (1964) printing states that players should stay with 4 or 5 phrases of each other, instead of 2 or 3 as mentioned in the otherminds score, and my instructional notes are more extensive. Mindspillage (spill your mind?) 22:25, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Excellent! I do wish that I had a copy of those notes - I made a realisation of the piece with SSEYO Koan Pro and Myriad Harmony Assistant just before Christmas (just over 25 minutes long due to software limitations, but I think rather good) working from the otherminds score, and I now do wonder rather what subtleties I may have missed. --Kay Dekker 03:45, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

samples?[edit]

Because each performance is different, could we maybe have a few .ogg samples of versions people have done?


In an ideal world, yes, but I don't believe it's a commonly played piece, and there's always copyright issues too. 209.89.36.244 05:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


Hello...with the Small World podcast page being hacked and no other external links present here, I thought I'd mention to the editors that I have created and made available as streaming audio (and with permission from Riley's management) a realization of In C. I did not want to edit the article, since I'm serving it off my personal site, and just signing up and linking it myself doesn't seem like what a reputable encyclopedic site ought to be doing. It's much better if it's a "peer reviewed" link, so if the editors of this page see this, you can find the writeup and audio stream by going to my site at flagmusic dot com, and click the green "Read more" link near top center where there's a brief blurb about the piece and my realization. That will take you to the page where I'm serving it. If you think that page is worth linking, great. If not, I certainly understand. I hope to contribute to some other articles and set up my user page soon as well...I've been meaning to sign up for a while now. Thanks! JCHall (talk) 05:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Heh. Just added this link, came here, and found this note. Thanks, JC! :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 06:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for linking it, Sarek! It's a lovely work and I hope folks enjoy my version of it. I'm also very pleased to thank Riley's management for giving me permission to serve it from my site. JCHall (talk) 23:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

surrealism vs. serialism[edit]

I think that the opening paragraph should state that the piece is a response to serialism (a rather different concept than surrealism... I assume this is just a mistake?Benito Crawford 23:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Moreover, two claims are folded into the sentence but the reference only establishes one (Riley's intention) not the- very disputable- claim of fact that immediately follows. Schissel | Sound the Note! 00:35, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Terry Riley-In C (album cover).jpg[edit]

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Uploaded again with description. Which one is the best one? Hoover gives a very short description.


a) 120px|(Atma, 1983), b) 120px|(Riley : In C - Eddy de Fanti : Djembe), c) 120px|(1990), d) 120px|(25th anniversary, 1995), e) 120px|Ictus, f)120px|Parcurama, g) 120px, h) 120px, i) 120px, j) 120px|Ut Gret - Recent Fossils k)120px|Re-sound - In C |border|120px|Jeroen van Veen - Minimal Piano Collection?

Or are we gonna put all of them at the end of the page (new title "Recordings", where we put the list and these images)?

--Saippuakauppias 08:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I have changed the transclusion of these images to links to them as non-free images can't be used outside the article namespace (see WP:NFCC). Stifle (talk) 09:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Simplest Key to Play on the Piano??[edit]

I dispute that the key of C is the simplest to play on the piano and would invite a citation. Many novice players find the key of C simple because they can largely ignore the black notes. I think we can assume that most people playing 'In C' would not be novice players. When I was studying piano it was drummed into me that the key of C was amongst the hardest to play on the piano as it is difficult to make scales "flow" (the fact that your fingers are different lengths lends itself to playing some black notes smoothly especially in scales when played at speed).

I accept that 'In C' is not a fast piece but the statement given in the opening paragraph is something of a generalisation - and I would argue a mistaken one. Any other opinions? Any professional musicians feel like they could comment?

If I could find a citation for the above (apart from my music teacher!) I would amend the opening para myself.

Edit - actually I've just read it again and although it's nit picky it's really offending me as it's just plain wrong. I don't need to cite a reference to remove something so I'm just going to do that and tidy up the grammar. If anyone thinks I'm wrong please revert my edit and we can discuss here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RogMcDog (talkcontribs)

That's perfectly fine, but remember to sign your posts on talk pages and use descriptive edit summaries. —Keenan Pepper 19:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't have any issue with you removing the phrase however I think you may have misunderstood it. Simple is the opposite of complex; easy the opposite of hard. Simple is not the opposite of hard and complex is not the opposite of easy. Wikiyuvraj (talk) 00:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Do we have something in the article acknowledging that the choice of key is in part due to the connotations of simplicity in spelling and thus thought and perhaps performance associated with C major/A minor? Hyacinth (talk) 01:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Years ago I spoke to the composer and asked him why he chose the key of C (particularly as string instruments such as violin, viola etc have a better time in G or D, sax likes Bb or Eb and so on). He said, "Well, C is the proverbial simple key." He wanted the idea of simplicity and, I'm interpreting here, C has an almost totemic quality of simplicity. Gingermint (talk) 23:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Link[edit]

http://smallworldpodcast.com/?p=535 Performance of Terry Riley's In C- Page was hacked

Link with Album?[edit]

I'm not sure how you can link a composition with an album. It's like displaying a Deutsche Grammophon album on the page for Mozart's No. 25 ... --89.56.133.48 17:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely right. I'd propose to put "albums" contatinig the piece ant then put all the cover images there. --Saippuakauppias 08:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Album ? - Pictures[edit]

I don't care, but In C isn't an album, for serious music there doesn't exist any albums! Therefore we put either all albums ever recorded containing In C or we leave out all of them.
Just my opinion. - What do you think? --Saippuakauppias 13:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I care a little, and I agree that In C is not an album, and that the album image should be removed. It looks as though the process of adding the album images has never really gotten going anyway. --Froggy88 (talk) 20:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Performance rights relinquished by Riley?[edit]

Is it true that Riley "offers" the score kind of "freely distributable" for performances? If so, it should be noted. -- megA (talk) 10:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I know that the score is distributed under a Creative Commons license, but I don't believe that means that he has relinquished performance rights -- just that it's freely available for study. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I see. Thank you. -- megA (talk) 12:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
That's just my opinion, of course. If you can find a source better informed than I am, I agree that it should be added. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Tempi[edit]

I recently converted the recording information into a chart, adding a column for tempo for each recording. I took most of these tempo values from Robert Carl's book on In C, but some of them I timed on my own from recordings of the pieces. I see that the tempo value for the SLC Electric Ensemble recording has flipped back a few times in recent days, once being reverted to the original value I put (42), on the basis that no reference was given for revising it. I thought that my original value was dubious, in that I got it by counting the original pulse as eighth notes, but it seemed that the later phrases were played essentially double time, at twice the tempo I had determined. (Please forgive any inaccurate terminology here -- I'm not a musician.) I had planned to revisit the issue anyway, and I am glad that someone has already done so and made the correction.

In the interest of full disclosure, the other listed tempo values based on my determination are those for the DesAccordes, Ut Gret, Jerome van Veen, Orkest de Volharding, GVSU NME, and Hans Balmer recordings. My determinations for those pieces should be given no more weight than anyone else's.

I realize that some might consider determining tempi from listening to the pieces themselves to be "original research" that doesn't belong in the article. Regardless, I think that the information is very useful, and makes a positive contribution to the article. For that reason I think that it should be kept in. -- Froggy88 (talk) 13:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)