Talk:Independent sacramental movement

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Confusing[edit]

What is this term? Is it a classification similar to a church sect typology? I do not understand what is included in this classification, for example when I read:

"Most of the churches listed by ISM adherents as being part of the movement have no historic connection to the movement and share almost nothing with this movement other than apostolic succession. In addition, some churches or other groups which are structurally similar to each other but which do not claim apostolic succession have been claimed by ISM sources as part of their movement."

What does that mean? What groups have an "historic connection to the movement"? Is ISM a label which groups self identify as or is it a formal classification? I would like to see a quoted definition, of what the ISM is, included in the article. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 03:02, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 17 April 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: move the page to Independent sacramental movement, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 17:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)



Independent Sacramental MovementIndependent sacramental Christianity – "Sacramental" being a normal adjective; "Christianity" being a clearer and somewhat more inclusive scope. Second best option and less radical would be Independent sacramental movement. Chicbyaccident (talk) 00:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 17:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Parts of the article and the blog listed under "External links" give the impression that the "Independent Sacramental Movement" is the official name of a group of independent churches. Other parts of the article and its three references give the impression that the "Independent Sacramental Movement" is a name used by some authors to categorize certain independent churches. If the former is true, the name definitely shouldn't be changed. If the latter is true, I could see arguments on both sides. Either way, I'm tempted to say this article should probably be nominated for deletion rather than simply renamed. Bnng (talk) 01:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose proposed, but support Independent sacramental movement. Google Books[1] and the few hits on Google News[2] consistently refer to this movement by the present name. However, they don't consistently use capitals, so that change would be supported by MOS:CAPS. There are very few hits for the proposed term so I don't see it as viable.--Cúchullain t/c 14:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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