Talk:Individual action on climate change

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The Community Portal said that the page Individual and political action on climate change needed to be split. I took the info that I thought was right for the individual action and made a new article. I couldn't figure out how to change the title, so I left it the way it was. I'm only trying to become a certified Wikipedian. Please don't delete this page. Pchittg2 (talk) 21:09, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey Pchitt. You're reacting well to having one of your firsts attempts at creating an article nominated for deletion. From what I've seen, that's a great first step as almost everyone's first attempt at an article is deleted. Mine was. I'm not saying that this article will definitely be deleted but as it stands, it's basically just the text from another article. If you want to create a new article, I would start it in your userspace. I'll ask an admin to userfy this article for you so that you can work on it while it's not in mainspace. Feel free to ask questions here or on your talk page if you want. I'll be watching both. OlYellerTalktome 21:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Patrolling Admin[edit]

Patrolling admin, per the conversation above, will you please userfy this article for the author? Of course, if they object, that's up to them. OlYellerTalktome 21:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

splitting properly[edit]

Whether or not the split is desirable is for consensus at the talk p. of the original article, about which I have no opinion. But I see no reason for a speedy deletion, as the material does not at present duplicate. Speedy criterion A10 does not apply to splits. And if the decision there is to undo the split, the original text there should be restored, not the material eliminated.

The actual split was done improperly by copying the page as it appeared, not the coded wikitext from the edit window; this loses the references; I re-did it, using the version at [1] DGG ( talk ) 22:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

At the time of nomination, the text was not removed. Thank you for doing the work to make sure that this content is properly split. OlYellerTalktome 22:03, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Erroneous content[edit]

The article erroneously states: “The United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization reports that rearing livestock contributes more greenhouse gases than all fossil fuel burning combined.[4]” In fact, reference (4), i.e. the report of Steinfeld et al. (2006), indicates 4 to 5 billion tonnes carbon emitted annually from fossil fuels. Expressed as carbon dioxide, this is over 14 billion tonnes from fossil fuel burning. In contrast, reference (4) estimates 4.6 or 7.1 billion tonnes [100-year] carbon dioxide equivalents annually assigned to livestock production, where the higher of these figures includes "the land use, land use change and forestry category".

The Wikipedia article states “A 2006 study from the Department of Geophysical Sciences at the University of Chicago found the difference between a vegan diet and red meat diet is equivalent to driving a sedan compared to a sport utility vehicle.[5]6]” However, the cited study from the University of Chicago failed to confirm the accuracy of one of its data sources. As a result, it used erroneous figures for fossil energy used in production of various meats, overestimating such energy use in production of beef and pork by 70 percent, relative to original figures in the citation chain, and overestimating energy use in production of lamb by about 2000 percent, as a result of using a feed energy figure instead of a fossil energy figure. (The feed energy represents solar energy captured by net photosynthesis and stored in the portions of plants used as feed.) The extremely inflated fossil energy figures were used for estimating carbon dioxide emissions. [Also, the paper failed to account for emissions associated with production of substitutes (used by vegans) for the non-food products derived from food-yielding animals.] Because of the various errors and omissions, the paper's quantitative conclusions cannot be accepted; they greatly exaggerate the emissions difference between the compared diets. (Citation of this problematic paper might have been avoided by observing the Wikipedia guideline that “Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources".) Schafhirt (talk) 17:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)