Talk:Internal conflict in Peru
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Excellent! –– Walter Humala · Godsave him!· ( wanna talk? ) 05:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Put it on my watchlist, good start for this article.--Jersey Devil 07:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Infobox Image[edit]
We need an image on the main infobox like there are for other conflicts (see Vietnam War, Algerian War of Independence, Irish War of Independence, Second Chechen War, etc...). An image that is iconic of the Peruvian internal conflict.--Jersey Devil 20:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Vera Lentz seems to be the photographer that took almost all of the iconic photographs of the war. I assume she owns them. It'd be nice to get permission to use one of them, though. I have no idea how to contact her. --Descendall 17:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Actually I bet that one way you could get in contact with her is to ask for her contact info from any of the producers of "State of Fear," which really heavily used her photographs and even included them all on the DVD of their movie. You can see their email address here. --Descendall 05:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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- It seems I've added a new image from flickr, hope they keep it. --Andersmusician $ 18:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I have seen that photo before and I am almost positive that it is copyrighted.--200.62.165.65 21:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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Latest Shining Path attack[edit]
The article linked to says "What the police have to determine is the motive, the aim, and what kind of criminal did it." In other words, the police do not know the first thing about this bomb. It seems a little too early to say that the Shining Path was responsible. --200.62.165.65 21:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- I added the following: "Because of the timing of the attack the Shining Path is suspected by the Peruvian authorities of holding responsibility for the attack." I hope that clarifies this issue.--Jersey Devil 21:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
some old source[edit]
Think we can add something from onwar.com --Andersmusician $ 03:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Impeachment of Fujimori[edit]
Whoever keeps adding in that Fujimori was impeached knows nothing about Peru. The Peruvian Constitution does not allow any politician to be impeached. The only way that a president can be removed from office is if he is incapable of preforming the duties of the President of the Republic. The Congress of the Republic issued a finding that Fujimori was incapcitated after he fled the country. Please do not say that there was an impeachment proceeding. There was not one. THANX. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.161.134 (talk) 03:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, that is not accurate at all. Fujimori didn't flee the country: He received the authorization from Congress to participate in the APEC Conference that was taking place in Brunei. After the Fujimorista President of the Peruvian Congress was removed from office and replaced with a hard-line anti-Fujimorista, Alberto Fujimori submitted his resignation, which was not accepted. Congress Impeached him and after that unconstitutionally removed him from the Presidency (there was no enough votes to secure a 2/3 majority). Messhermit 23:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- This is absurd antifujimori garbage. Alberto Fujimori was never impeached or indicted by anyone. In Peru, there is no impeachment at all. The Political Constitution of Peru says only that the presidency vacated. The Congress of the Republic has no indictment power at all. In the case of Fujimori, Chapter IV Article 113 Section 2 was activated. I reproduce Article 113 in its entirety below.
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- Artículo 113º
- La Presidencia de la República vaca por:
- 1. Muerte del Presidente de la República.
- 2. Su permanente incapacidad moral o física, declarada por el Congreso.
- 3. Aceptación de su renuncia por el Congreso.
- 4. Salir del territorio nacional sin permiso del Congreso o no regresar a él dentro del plazo fijado. Y
- 5. Destitución, tras haber sido sancionado por alguna de las infracciones mencionadas en el Artículo 117 de la Constitución.
Infobox Image[edit]
The new image on the infobox looks great. Apparently made by a German Wikipedian and put up on Commons. Thanks for putting it up Anders.--Jersey Devil (talk) 06:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with Image:Pcpnovote.jpg[edit]
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Shouldn't this be called Terrorism in Peru?[edit]
I think it should be called that way instead of "Internal conflict in Peru". Similar to Terrorism in the United States or Domestic terrorism in the United States.--201.230.21.141 (talk) 01:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Agree In fact, I'm going to rename the article, because this wasn't an internal conflict or civil war, it was a fight between the Peruvian State against two major terrorist factions. Greetings.--Ian (CloudAOC) | Talk 19:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Since it has been mentioned that this page is only for the internal conflict, another page for "Terrorism in Peru" was created. Please help in completing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.85.178.205 (talk) 20:00, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Link for the lazy: Terrorism in Peru. jonkerz ♠talk 20:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- @76.85.178.205.Please do observe the results from the move request below.--Pseudois (talk) 11:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
"Conflict Today" Section[edit]
This section contains contradictory information regarding the described bomb attack in Lima. One editor implies that the Shining Path was responsible, but s/he is immediately contradicted by another editor who says that Shining Path has no operations in the city. I don't know which is true, so I've placed "citation needed" tags on both claims. In addition, I've added a tag pointing out this contradiction to the top of the section. Either the attack was carried out by the Shining Path, or it wasn't-we need some sources to determine which is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpenn89 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Here's a source linking the Shining Path to the El Polo bombing, found after a quick google search:
http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=05LIMA3813
It's apparently from a leaked diplomatic cable. I don't really know enough about the subject to judge if this is a plausible source or not. Several someones more knowledgeable than me should take a look and decide what do do with the contradictory information we have in the article. Dpenn89 (talk) 20:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Updated with information about the February 2014 Shining Path attack on the Transportadora de Gas del Peru natural work camp. --Protrucks (sandbox) 13:06, 09 March 2014 (UTC-5)
Requested move[edit]
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: page moved to Internal conflict in Peru as a revert of the contested move. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:06, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Terrorism in Peru → Internal Conflict in Peru – This article has always been at Internal Conflict in Peru, the name that scholars give the conflict between the MRTA, Shining Path, the Rondas Campesinas, and the Peruvian state. The translation from what is used in Spanish -- Conflicto interno en el Peru -- is exact. Literally for years there have been arguments about the Shining Path article centering on whether or not it is appropriate to call the Shining Path a terrorist organization with the authoritative narrative voice of wikipedia or rather to mention the multitude of states and international organizations that consider them to be terrorists and instead use the authoritative narrative voice to state objective facts (i.e., that the Shining Path outright rejected the idea that humans have innate rights and therefore participated in atrocities such as the Lucanamarca Massacre.) These arguments culminated in mediation. The result has always been that the consensus is with the latter -- the narrative voice shouldn't make judgement calls but rather state facts and let the reader reach his own informed conclusion as to weather or not the Shining Path, MRTA, Rondas Campesinas, and, yes, even the Peruvian military acted in ways that could be considered terrorist/state terrorist. This is perfectly in line with the Words to Avoid policy of wikipedia, which mentions "terrorist." Unfortunately, User:Cloudaoc, having never participated in these discussions, decided to edit the Shining Path article in order to force the narrative voice of the article to repeatedly call Shining Path terrorists and then changed the name of this article so that he could link to it at Shining Path in order to call them terrorists one more time. I simply request that we return to the status quo of calling this article what, I repeat, scholarly sources call the war -- the Internal Conflict in Peru, which is now a redirect. Furthermore, I wish to highlight the fact that this article is clearly about the Internal Conflict in Peru, a specific armed conflict, and not about terrorism in Peru in general, which, depending on who you are willing to call terrorists, could mean anything from the MIR's uprisings in the 1970s to the FARC's incursions in Peru today to apolitical narcoterrorism, to even Tupac Amaru II's uprising. The name change actually confuses the matter. Descendall (talk) 04:21, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm with Descendall on this. Full disclosure: he asked me to comment, but I doubt he knew whether or not I'd agree with him. - Jmabel | Talk 06:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Support. The article is about the internal conflict, not about terrorism in general. Should it be Internal Conflict in Peru or Internal conflict in Peru? It was moved from the latter yesterday, and had been there since its creation in Feb 2007. jonkerz ♠talk 09:34, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Support.--Pseudois (talk) 12:14, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- Strong support. This is not just the standing local consensus on the articles, it's WP:NPOV. This shouldn't have been moved in the first place. --Cúchullain t/c 13:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Recent events[edit]
If anyone here speaks Spanish I would appropriate if you would see if you can find any Peruvian news about recent events in this conflict. The media there may cover these events better than international new organizations. Pug6666 21:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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