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Medvedev's Perspectives on Kosovo[edit]

Regarding Kosovo, President Medvedev was correct. One cannot support a region breaking away from a state for purely ethnic reasons (i.e. Kosovo from Serbia) and then deny this right to other regions round the world such as Abkhazia and South Ossetia. However, the interest and motives of Russia in this area are unclear and could be discussed in the article. Is it oil or something else, for example. I doubt whether England would intervene to protect a breakaway Shetland Islands from an independent Scotland.

Dates of Abkhazia (A), South Ossetia (SO), Transnistria (PMR) and NKR mutual recognitions[edit]

I am continuing the discussion from Talk:International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia/Archive 6#Dates of Abkhazia/South Ossetia/Transnistria mutual recognitions?. I was opposed the views of Sephia karta at discussion.

The signing of the international (interstate) treaty by entities that are considered itself as independent States (and which signed this treaty as independent States) - it is proof of recognition. I read the full text of the Treaty on Friendship and Cooperation between the PMR and SO now. Really, SO+PMR have signed the Treaty as sovereign States. In the text they explicitly writes "..based on common goals and objectives to strengthen its statehood, ... guided by the desire of their peoples to self-determination, independence and sovereignty..". This is the typical agreenment conceived as sovereign states treaty. Since this is their first interstate agreement, date of signature is the date of their mutual recognition. A+SO, A+PMR is similar to SO+PMR (A+PMR signed a Treaty on Friendship and Cooperation on 22 January 1993, PMR+SO on 12 October 1994 and A+SO on 19 September 2005). Sephia karta was right. The data should be added here and elsewhere.

As regards the Nagorno-Karabakh, I think, that the date of though has a source, but I also agree, that the accuracy of this data is not certain. It would be good to find other and better sources. Jan CZ (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Diplomatic relations between Abkhazia (A), South Ossetia (SO), Transnistria (PMR) and NKR[edit]

Because state recognition and diplomatic relations are two different matters, restoring the discussion on diplomatic relations I start here.

Diplomatic relations between A+SO were actually established 26.9.2007. Diplomatic relations can be established by signing the Joint Communique on establishment of diplomatic relations, but also by present the credentials of the Ambassador. Abkhaz president described this presenting the credentials (26.9.2007) as act of establishment of diplomatic relations between A+SO. The previous agreement (Treaty on Friendship and Cooperation) between A+SO means recognition, but not the formal establishment of diplomatic relations. A+SO have embassies each other in capitals.

NKR but also PMR not established diplomatic relations with any countries. No any act of establishment of diplomatic relations. Because that, PMR has in A+SO only a representative office, both countries have representative offices in the PMR. Information about SO Consulate in PMR and PMR constructed Embassy in SO are obsolete (Representative office of SO in PMR and Representative office of PMR in SO). Information about the existence of diplomatic relations of PMR should be deleted from articles. Jan CZ (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Must be directed to article - Abkhazia[edit]

This should be part of article - Abkhazia. No need for separating it from main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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