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Antigua and Barbuda[edit]

Antigua and Barbuda just recognised, so far Kosovo MFA announced in a tweet, replace is needed when media writes about it. Digitalpaper (talk) 08:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Anyone seen any reliable source or facsimile of the note verbale that A&B did really recognize Kosovo? This only source is a Facebook announcement of Hashim Thaci followed by a short article about the arrival of the note, but the note itself is to be seen nowhere.
The fact that only Thaci's words support this "event" is a little dubious. According to Thaci, even Cook Islands recognized Kosovo, without knowing that they have no foreign policy so don't care to recognize or not recognize anyone. Well, he can't tell the difference between a sovereign country and a protectorate.Mondiad (talk) 23:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Huh? The Cook Islands has a Ministry of Foreign Affairs which put out a newsletter in which they announced their "mutual respect for sovereignty" with Kosovo. That's hardly "no foreign policy" or "don't care to recognize". TDL (talk) 00:59, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Puerto Rico has a State Department as well, doesn't mean that Puerto Rico can or cannot recognize Kosovo. I wouldn't be surprised to hear one day Thaci claiming "Puerto Rico" recognized Kosovo" or "Greenland recognized Kosovo".
And most important, A&B official site mentions 2012 meetings with Kosovo FM, but nothing on recognition, not a single word. Any international newspaper, any local news agenecy? Or just Thaci's Facebook account? Mondiad (talk) 23:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
The difference is, Puerto Rico is a dependent territory, whereas the Cook Islands are in legal free association with New Zealand. The Cook Islands waive their right to a UN seat and other trappings of sovereignty by agreement with New Zealand, which they can legally abrogate, whereas United States law can unilaterally alter any part of the status of Puerto Rican home rule and Puerto Rico could not become sovereign without a change in US law. Plus, here's a local news source reporting on the ceremony.[1] Astrofreak92 (talk) 02:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
The point of the MFA link was certainly not to suggest that the Cook Islands engages in foreign diplomatic relations simply because it had a MFA. It was to falsify the claim that the Cook Islands had "no foreign policy", by showing that it had an entire Ministry devoted to the subject. I furthermore provided a link which showed that the Cook Islands engages in foreign diplomatic relations and had formally recognized Kosovo, contrary to the claim that it "don't care to recognize". Now you seem to have changed your argument to it "cannot recognize Kosovo". However, the Cooks Islands has full authority for it's own foreign relations. Numerous other states have recognized the Cook Islands (ie [2], [3]) and established diplomatic relations with it (ie [4]). Conversely, no states have ever recognized or established diplomatic relations with Greenland or Puerto Rico. Their legal statuses are entirely different. Trying to draw comparisons between these two cases is a false analogy.
Thaci did not "claim" Cook Islands had recognized them. It was the "Cook Islands" claiming that the Cook Islands had recognizes Kosovo. This is all very well sourced.
And yes, the A&B announcement wasn't "just Thaci's Facebook account". If you read this article you will see a link to a press release announcing it from the MFA: [5]. A quick Google search reveals a number of media outlets which picked up the story (ie [6]). TDL (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

UNESCO[edit]

UNESCO Board Agrees Kosovo Membership Vote B92

voted in favor Afghanistan, Albania, Austria, Belize, Britain, Gabon, Gambia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Italy, Kuwait, Macedonia, Germany, Pakistan, St. Kitts and Nevis, the United States, Thailand, Togo, the United Arab Emirates, France, Holland, Montenegro, the Czech Republic, Chad, and Sweden.

Against were Argentina, Angola, Brazil, Ecuador, Ethiopia, India, Cuba, China, Morocco, Mexico, Namibia, Nigeria, Russia, and Spain.

Those who abstained included Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Mauritius, Malawi, Mozambique, Mali, Nepal, Papua New Guinea, Trinidad and Tobago, and Uganda.

Representatives of Tunis, Turkmenistan, and Ukraine were not in the room during the voting.


South Sudan is the only country which does not recognize Kosovo, but sponsored its membership in UNESCO.UNESCO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.73.129.99 (talk) 23:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Official UNESCO Votes Regarding the Admission of Kosovo (2015) [1]
# IN FAVOR AGAINST ABSTAIN ABSENT SUSPENDED
Votes 92 50 29 15 9
Valid 64.79% 35.21%
Total 47.18% 25.64% 14.87% 7.69% 4.62%
1 Afghanistan Angola Algeria Azerbaijan Antigua & Barbuda
2 Albania Argentina Bangladesh Cape Verde Comoros
3 Andorra Armenia Barbados Cambodia Dominica
4 Australia Belarus Bhutan Marshall Islands Israel
5 Austria Bolivia Bosnia Iran Kiribati
6 Bahamas Botswana Burundi Iraq Micronesia
7 Bahrain Brazil Cameroon Madagascar Niue
8 Belgium Chile Colombia Maldives Sao Tome
9 Belize Congo Egypt Mauritania United States
10 Benin Cuba Greece Mongolia
11 Brunei Cyprus Guinea-Bissau Uzbekistan
12 Bulgaria Dem Rep Congo Jamaica Swaziland
13 Burkina Faso Ecuador Japan Tajikistan
14 Canada Equatorial Guinea Kenya Turkmenistan
15 Chad Eritrea Mali Ukraine
16 China Ethiopia Nepal
17 Cook Islands Georgia Nigeria
18 Costa Rica Guatemala Peru
19 Croatia India Poland
20 Czech Rep Indonesia Central African Rep
21 Denmark Kazakhstan South Korea
22 Djibouti Kyrgyzstan Romania
23 Dominican Rep Laos Saint Vincent
24 El Salvador Lebanon Seychelles
25 Estonia Morocco Singapore
26 Fiji Mauritius Trinidad & Tabago
27 Finland Mexico Tunisia
28 France Moldova Viet Nam
29 Gabon Mozambique Zambia
30 Gambia Myanmar
31 Germany Namibia
32 Ghana Nicaragua
33 Grenada North Korea
34 Guinea Palestine
35 Guyana Paraguay
36 Haiti Philippines
37 Honduras Russia
38 Hungary Saudi Arabia
39 Iceland Serbia
40 Ireland Slovakia
41 Italy South Africa
42 Ivory Coast South Sudan
43 Jordan Spain
44 Kuwait Sri Lanka
45 Latvia Suriname
46 Lesotho Syria
47 Liberia Uganda
48 Libya Uruguay
49 Lithuania Venezuela
50 Luxembourg Zimbabwe
51 Macedonia
52 Malawi
53 Malaysia
54 Malta
55 Monaco
56 Montenegro
57 Nauru
58 Netherlands
59 New Zealand
60 Niger
61 Norway
62 Oman
63 Pakistan
64 Palau
65 Panama
66 Papua New Guinea
67 Portugal
68 Qatar
69 Rwanda
70 Saint Kitts & Nevis
71 Samoa
72 San Marino
73 Saint Lucia
74 Senegal
75 Sierra Leone
76 Slovenia
77 Solomon Islands
78 Somalia
79 Sudan
80 Sweden
81 Switzerland
82 Tanzania
83 Thailand
84 Timor Leste
85 Togo
86 Tonga
87 Turkey
88 Tuvalu
89 UA Emirates
90 United Kingdom
91 Vanuatu
92 Yemen

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:International recognition of Kosovo/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Peter SamFan (talk · contribs) 13:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


I will review this GAN. This may take several days. Peter Sam Fan 13:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Lead[edit]

At the end of the second sentence in the lead, why is international recognition of Kosovo in boldface? Also, instead of world community, which seems confusing to me, why not just put the world instead. Peter Sam Fan 13:58, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

"International recognition of Kosovo" is bold because it is the name of the article, although it does appear later than recommended by WP:BOLDTITLE. Bazonka (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I've reworded the lead to bring the bold title nearer to the start, and I've removed the phrase "world community". Bazonka (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Main Body[edit]

We should remove the section called "Serbia's Reaction" as it give undue weight (is "weight" the right word for me to use?) and then merge it into the "s" section in the middle. Peter Sam Fan 18:43, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Serbia differs significantly from the other countries because it and many other countries see Kosovo as being a part of Serbia. Serbia's position is way more important than that of the others. If Serbia changed its stance (unlikely but theoretically possible), the others would most likely follow. So of course its position is given more weight in the article than that of other nations, but this does not mean that it is WP:UNDUE — it's because its position has more weight. Bazonka (talk) 20:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

The rest of the article looks good. I have put the GAN on hold for seven days. Peter Sam Fan 18:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

@Bazonka: Time for my bedtime. I'll finish the review on Friday afternoon or so. Peter Sam Fan 00:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

@Bazonka: In the sentence "Zahid Oruj, member of the parliamentary committee on defence and security, explained it by saying "Owing to the change of situation in Kosovo, the Azeri peacekeeping battalion performing its mission within the Turkish contingent will be withdrawn", I would put "a member" instead of just "member." That does not seem like good English to me.

Changed. Bazonka (talk) 16:25, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

@Bazonka: Sorry for taking so long. I've fixed the dashes using a script, and it seems like the rest of the article is good-article-worthy. I would copyedit it, and check for dead links before adding it to WP:GA. Peter Sam Fan 18:29, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Classification[edit]

Peter SamFan, Bazonka, it seemed to me that this nomination had stalled, so I took a look at it to see what the issues might be in the hopes of getting it moving again. When I looked at the article, however, it seemed to me to be more of a list than a regular article—the vast bulk of it certainly is lists in table form—and if so, it shouldn't be judged here at GAN. Instead, if it were nominated for anything, it should try for a Featured List (WP:FLC).

I wasn't sure, though, so I consulted one of the people who run the FLC process, Chris Woodrich, on his talk page. His opinion is that it sort of resembles Description of the Western Isles of Scotland in terms of article construction, which is a Featured List.

Part of the Good Article criteria is that stand-alone lists are not eligible to be Good Articles, and I think this probably falls under that criterion. As such, the nomination (originally made by Iheartthestrals) would not qualify and the review should end. You may want to consider nominated it at FLC, but before you do, I suggest you read his suggestions on his talk page at the link above and make sure they are addressed before nominating there.

I'm sorry this wasn't better news, but I think it's good we caught this now rather than later. Peter SamFan, you'll want to close this review (unfortunately, the only option at this point is to do so using the FailedGA template on the article talk page); Bazonka, if you'd like to pursue an FLC, you'll definitely want to make the improvements suggested by Chris. Iheartthestrals, since you did not participate in this nomination, you should not pursue an FLC unless you plan to both respond to requests made as part of the review and to consult with the editors on the article talk page to get their concurrence before starting an FLC. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset and Bazonka: That's okay. Peter Sam Fan 12:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Updating?[edit]

This article has not updated for more than a year the number of states that recognize Kosovo. Is anybody in charge of it? Whoever was in charge up to 23rd june 2015 is still in charge? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.164.95.79 (talk) 08:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC) Is anybody in charge? Why is it not updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.164.95.79 (talk) 10:59, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a collaboration. Nobody is "in charge". And the reason that no more recognisers have been added to the list is because there aren't any new ones. However, if you know differently, then feel free to make an update yourself. Bazonka (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

If there are no more recognitions it should read "as of july 2016" instead of june 2015, because it looks like that it has been abandoned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.164.95.79 (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Oman[edit]

Oman's status is disputed. Here is the timeline:

  • 4 February 2011: MFA announces recognition. The note text was: "In acknowledging the decision of the International Court of Justice on the independence of Kosovo, the Government of the Sultanate of Oman will welcome Kosovo’s membership to the United Nations, as well as to other international and regional organizations it wishes to join".
  • 7 September 2011: Deputy FM Petrit Selimi tweets that "Oman had never recognized as Vlora clarified in a statement in Feb." See also: [7] and this: "Pristina later accepted that it had misread this recognition, when it had in fact been a more general statement of future support"
  • 20 September 2011: MFA announces that "soon diplomatic relations will be established between the two states".
  • 20 February 2012: Rexhep Boja, the charge d'affaires of the Kosovo Embassy in Saudi Arabia is reported to have said that Oman had not yet recognized Kosovo.

This is all summarized in Ker-Lindsay's book here.

ILBobby is removing a note mentioning this, on the grounds that "There is no dispute that Oman and Kosovo have established diplomatic relations." However, the only evidence presented to support this claim is the February 2011 PR, which the MFA itself has already acknowledge was in error. The September 2011 note only speaks of plans for future diplomatic relations. So, is there any evidence that diplomatic relations were ever actually established? If so, then great lets add that and remove the ambiguity. If not, given that a neutral, independent WP:reliable source mentions that there is some lack of clarity about this, I believe we should also include a mention. Note that I'm not proposing that it be moved to the non-recognizers, just that we acknowledge that there is some uncertainty in wp:secondary sources such as the Ker-Lindsay book. The MFA PR is obviously a partisan WP:primary sources, so we need to be careful in overlying on it. TDL (talk) 03:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I remember you being here before and you consistently caused disturbances with undiscussed, unilateral, partisan edits such as this. You've apparently decided to bring this up because after careful googling for "Kosovo Oman" you got a hit in a book written 4 years ago. This page is about recognition - the foreign relations page is about diplomatic relations. Your third link from 20 September 2011 explicitly states, "recognition is reconfirmed." Since this page is about recognition, there is no dispute. - ILBobby (talk) 03:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Sorry? My "undiscussed, unilateral, partisan edits"? Care to point to a few? You mean like here? Or here? Or here? Rather than making unfounded and illinformed WP:personal attacks, please address the substance of the argument. If you are too emotionally invested in this subject to discuss it without attacking those who disagree with you then I suggest editing other subjects.
Yes diplomatic relations and recognition are different. But it was you who connected the two with this argument: "There is no dispute that Oman and Kosovo have established diplomatic relations. One does not establish formal government-to-government relations with countries you do not recognize. Find more evidence." The entire premise of your argument was that they had recognized by virtue of their diplomatic relations. However, as I demonstrated above that point is clearly refuted by the sources. If you wish to move the goalposts and change your argument then fine, but that was why this argument was presented above.
Now then, did you make it to bullet point four in the list above where a Kosovar diplomat said that Oman hadn't recognized in February 2012 (which postdates the September 2011 source you are now citing)? Hence the dispute. TDL (talk) 04:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

North Korea missing[edit]

Where is North Korea, because the country has no report to recognize Kosovo.2602:30A:C0FF:A6E0:2D20:7EA3:6573:A73F (talk) 02:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

When there is nothing to report, there is no information to include in the article. We don't include every country in the world for the sake of it, we only include countries which have notable information re the article subject which is of use to our readers. IJA (talk) 11:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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Bangladesh recognition[edit]

According to Dhaka Tribune, Bangladesh has recognized Kosovo. See here for more http://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/foreign-affairs/2017/02/27/bangladesh-officially-recognises-kosovo-independent-state/ --alchaemia (talk) 10:05, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

UPDATE The page has been updated to reflect this change, with the acceptation of the UN State count, which needs an additional update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.105.136 (talk) 12:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Graph of recognisers / non-recognisers[edit]

Do we really need the graph at the start of the Background section. I think it's intrusive and doesn't add much of value. What do others think? Bazonka (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Tenth plenary meeting of the 38th session of the General Conference, Page 14" (PDF). UNESCO.org. 9 November 2015.