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This topic is in many ways unclear.[edit]

It seems that this article argues that there are 3 different categories of intrusive thoughts. Blasphemous religious thoughts, sexual thoughts and violent thoughts. I'm not saying that these kinds of thoughts can not be intrusive i'm just saying that i can identify many other kinds of intrusive thoughts that can't be placed in either of these categories. I guess it all comes down to what the definition of an intrusive thought really is, but if the definition is that it can only be blasphemous religious thoughts, violent thoughts or inappropriate sexual thoughts, then it is a rather weird definition. If on the other hand, intrusive thoughts are any involuntary thoughts that enters the mind, then categorizing the thoughts the 3 categories seems weird! Now if i decide to do a math-problem i will sit down and think about the math-problem at hand. In my opinion this is the exact opposite of an intrusive thought, because i am in control of the kind of thoughts that i'm thinking. If on the other hand someone shouts pink elephant and i get the image of a pink elephant in my head, and my mind starts swirling around the idea of pink elephants, then that would be an involuntary thought. Is it also intrusive then?? Nevertheless these 3 categories seems weird and useless to me, for example it is not possible to have religious blasphemous thoughts if you are not a religious person. Questions: If someone asks me to think of a pink panther i will probably not be able to not think of a pink panther, is that not an intrusive thought?? Or does intrusive thoughts have to be distressing and upsetting in nature?? What about if i all of a sudden start to think about dying and death?? Kind of a distressing and upsetting thought and probably not something that i wish to think about, but maybe i'm unable to put the thought out of my head again. Maybe this thought even begins to be somewhat obsessive... Is that not an example of intrusive thoughts?? I can neither place that type of thought in the category of inappropriate sexual, religious blasphemous or violent thoughts! This article talks a lot about OCD too, so when a person starts thinking that something horrible will happen unless he knocks 7 times on the table, jumps on one foot up and down the stairs 3 times etc. etc. I can again neither place that kind of thought in neither sexual, violent or religious blasphemous... Now i'm not a psychologist so i don't really have any professional background to write about this, but it just seems very weird to me, the way this article is written at the current moment... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mortenrobinson (talkcontribs) 20:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

It seems like an editor bought a book written by one single guy and based the entire article on his narrow view[1]. This article is indeed completely wrong and misleading. Although your examples in your comment are not defined as "intrusive thoughts".TMCk (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay, so what is the correct definition. I'm guessing intrusive thoughts are involuntary thoughts, but involuntary thoughts are not necessarily intrusive thoughts. Is it that intrusive thoughts are involuntary thoughts where a specific succeeding compulsive action can be linked to the thought???Mortenrobinson (talk 11:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
It is always good practice to read /check the citations given especially if in doubt about the accuracy of an article. Here is a good one: [2].TMCk (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
As the first person said "What about if I all of a sudden start to think about dying and death?? Kind of a distressing and upsetting thought and probably not something that I wish to think about, but maybe I'm unable to put the thought out of my head again. Maybe this thought even begins to be somewhat obsessive..."... These are precisely the kind of persistent thoughts I keep having, and the mentioned potential fixation was likely possible with the presence of ADHD. But... seeing that the main article with the exception of the opening paragraph divided intrusive thoughts into 3 subcategories, and neither could cover something like this... it's just... something that feels weird, wrong, and not very much well thought out.

However, there is room for improvement; with the addition of a 4th subcategory, otherwise known as fears, I feel that the problem would likely be sorted. Fear preys on the mind after all, manipulating thoughts and actions, inflicting anxiety and tormenting the individual. They can become obsessive, they can become fixations, and they can be highly intrusive. And while fears can be twisted to be applicable to all of the other subcategories, I feel that fear alone can cover other aspects that otherwise would go amiss by violent, sexual, and religious thoughts. 173.65.65.145 (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Added the perspective of Analytical Psychology[edit]

I've added it since I'm a student of it and thought it could be helpful to individuals who prefer this particular paradigm. I still need to get the sources that could be mainly Jung's Tavistock lectures or some other works.

July 29, 12:09 UTC

Secondary review sources for updating[edit]

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)