Talk:Irish Brigade (France)

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À==colonels== It would be nice to have links to the five colonels: Lord Mountcashel Butler, Feilding, O'Brien and Dillon,

While looking for the names I came across this site: Irish Foot Guards Which says:

  • 1662.04 Gen. James Butler, 2nd Duke of Ormonde, KG [lost colonelcy upon defecting to William III;
  • 1662.04.23 Irish Foot Guards raised at Dublin (two bns)
  • 1690? 500 members accompanied James II to exile in France; remainder disbanded in Ireland
  • 1698.02.26? disbanded in France (along with all other forces of exiled James II, according to terms of Treaty of Ryswick)

Would the Irish Foot Guards be the Butler regiment of the Irish Brigade. If so was there another Butler who lead them into exile or did they just keep his name until they disbanded? I see from reading the James Butler article that the colonelcy could have been with his cousin Piers Butler, 3rd Viscount Galmoye. -- Philip Baird Shearer 20:12, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

"Remember Limerick and Saxon perfidy" at the battle of Fontenoy in 1745[edit]

The contention that that this war cry was not issued in Gaelic at Fontenoy because a large portion of the regiment did not speak Gaelic, is somewhat spurious. You do not need to speak the language to know a phrase or two. If you were to follow this logic, then every U.S. Marine would have to know Latin before uttering "Semper Fi(delis)"


I have to say that there are quite a number of strange, alleged "facts" being put on Wikipedia's Irish topics, that remain uncited and, apparently, unchallenged, as long as they toe the line of being pro-British. Given British traditions of propaganda via popular media, and state-sponsored censorship, one has to wonder how much actual history is going on here at Wiki... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.38.5 (talk) 21:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry anon, but I think some of the stuff you've put in the article is a confused American view of Jacobitism. Most British Jacobites were not Catholics, but Episcopalians and Anglicans. Keep in mind they regard Charles I as a "saint and martyr", attachment to House of Stuart and legitimism being more of a motivation for most of high places British Jacobites, not primarily religion. - Yorkshirian (talk) 17:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
The source quoted was published in 1870, so it was hardly contemporary.86.46.206.117 (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
What difference does the Irish language have to the military effectiveness of a unit? So long as they can understand orders and win, it is irrelevant. If they lose a battle because they don't understand their orders, then that is notable. Given that their king James III claimed also to be king of those perfidious Saxons of Britain, it betrays a certain naivety to mention it as late as 1921, surely?86.42.195.214 (talk) 10:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The brigade was led at Fontenoy by James Dillon, who was killed in the famously successful charge. His father was Arthur Dillon, Count Dillon, and his mother was from an English (i.e. "Saxon") Jacobite family, the Sheldons. While the Dillons had lost all their lands due to "Saxon Perfidy" in 1691, Henry Dillon, 8th Viscount Dillon got them all back in 1694, while remaining a Catholic and more or less a Jacobite supporter. So it seems unlikely!PatrickGuinness (talk) 11:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Quote in Irish[edit]

I have corrected and standardised the spelling of the Irish original (assuming it was said at all).

Colin Ryan (talk) 21:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

The quote is referenced to a reliable published source, as such it need not be debated in the article as it is verifiable - see: WP:V. The argument expanded to prove, or disprove, the Irish Brigade's fluency in Irish is beside the point.Tttom1 (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Sarsfield[edit]

Sorry but Patrick Sarsfield joined the regular French army after 1691; he was never a commander in the Irish Brigade.86.46.206.117 (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)