Talk:Islam in Europe

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Islam by country[edit]

I oppose the idea to add data on muslim meberships by country in Europe. The added data seem to be carefully elaborated and reasonable sourced. However there is already an article islam by country. It is always a pain to sync and update data refering to the same subject in different articles. Hence I prefer a link to the islam by country article rather than a duplication of data here. Any thoughts? --Nillurcheier (talk) 09:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

The table is very helpful and relevant for this article, and exactly the right place for this kind of information. All population data in any article needs to be updated, that's not a reason to delete it. Jeppiz (talk) 11:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Changing sourced content into unsourced content?[edit]

@Zoupan: I'm not entirely sure why you keep changing:

  • "Through the Muslim conquest of Persia, Islam penetrated into regions that would later become part of Russia"


  • "Islam began significantly expanding in the Caucasus after conquests by Persian dynasties since the early 16th century."

...while deleting the existing source?[1]-[2] Best, - LouisAragon (talk) 18:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi LouisAragon, the Muslim conquest might have introduced Islam to Caucasus, but its expansion is more relevant to the article intro. On another note, those territories may not be regarded Europe. No idea why the intro should be riddled with refs (it shouldn't); there is still a section on Russia where information should be added, but summarized — the theme is big. I think '7th-century Caucasus and Bulgaria' is undue weight in the intro. Cheers.--Zoupan 08:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
On the Caucasus, Islam in introduced via missionaries in Daghestan early on. Circassian regions only become Muslim in the 18th and 19th century to get assistance of the Muslim Ottoman Empire to fight Russia. If some of this needs to be added i can via some sources like Jaimoukha, Richmond, etc.Resnjari (talk) 09:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

American editors insist, against all evidence, that Moscow is full of Muslims[edit]

I'm from Moscow, Russia and was amused to read that my city is "home to 1,5 Muslims". This sentence was plain inaccurate, so I corrected that, providing a (Russian-language) realiable source, but had my edits reverted twice by editors from the United States, who think they understand my city's demographics better than I do.

I understand that Wikipedia is an American website, so long-term I cannot win this edit war, but this only means that quality of Wikipedia content, already pretty low, will continue to suffer. (talk) 12:37, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

How about finding academic sources that support your position. Wikipedia works on principles of wp:reliable and wp:secondary. Google scholar and google books would be a good place to start. Best.Resnjari (talk) 13:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Russian state does not collect information on religious affiliation, so all we have is various estimates. Saying that Moscow is "home" to millions of Muslims has become a cliche in Western press. The reality is quite different. To quote Moscow mayor:
It has turned out that the praying Muslims are not at all Russian citizens and they are not Moscow residents. They are labor migrants. There are only 10 percent of Moscow residents among them and building mosques for everyone who wants it – I think this will be over the top,” Sergey Sobyanin said in an interview with Moscow's Echo radio.Link
Here is how labor migration works in Russia: a bunch of men of Uzbekistan work to complete construction project. Then they go home to their families in Uzbekistan, while the next batch of workers comes to replace them. Moscow is hosting a large Muslim population, but it's not their "home". Only a small fraction of them manage to settle here and obtain a permanent residence. (talk) 14:08, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
The source you added makes no mention of religion and/or ethnicity. You know that's WP:TENDENTIOUS editing, right? - LouisAragon (talk) 14:01, 14 June 2018 (UTC)