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Inaccurate demography[edit]

There are about 50'000 - 60'000 first-generation iranian immigrants in Sweden. It is hard to believe that only 5000 of them and their children belong to shia. The demography must be very inacurate. ¨¨¨¨¨¨antonmo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonmo (talkcontribs) 20:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

There are 450 - 500 000 individuals in Sweden with roots in muslim countries, not 450-500 000 muslims. Among thus coming from muslims countries are also individuals from other religious faiths, as syrians, assyrian, copts etc.. See —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Bias in the Conversion section[edit]

I am saddened to report that the Conversion section of this article is very one-sided. Reasonably there should at least be some mention of Muslims in Sweden who leave their faith for other religions or abandon religion all together, and not only deal with converts to Islam. Sarnalios 22:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

As no one made any move to improve the Conversion section despite my previous attempt to call your attention to it, I have added a source to estimated conversion numbers from the Church of Sweden to Islam and also corresponding claims about the previous nationality of Muslims who convert to the Church of Sweden. Sarnalios (talk) 13:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Please help with informations[edit]

Dear friends and Sweden-experts, I would like to find out something and also find traces if it is true. A Crimean Tatar once told me about Tatars in Sweden. Usually they are immigrants from Finnland (Finnish Tatars) but also reached Finland not before the 19th century. But the Crimean Tatar insisted that at least a hand full of Tatars could had come to sweden much earlier and settled down. He mentioned

  • the wars about Poland in the middle of the 17th century, when Sweden acted together with the Ottoman Turks and picked out the Tatars among the Polish prisoners of war
  • the exile of Sweden´s King Charles in Bendery. from where he brought a few Tatars when he returned in the begin of the 18th century

There are any signs for that story or not? Thanks for your help, guys! --Roksanna 22:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Radio Islam[edit]

Is Radio Islam really relevant, here? I think it's given too much weight in such a short article... 惑乱 分からん 15:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Radio Islam is known outside Sweden, too, especially in Morocco, of course. That Sweden is a center of Moroccian political exilants and especially because of its controversity it is relevant. --Roksanna 19:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The information should be given in the correct context, not just thrown out at random for a religion with hundreds of thousands of adherents in Sweden. In addition to it being badly written now, the information is insufficient, and it needs either be rewritten into a separate section, or be removed completely. 惑乱 分からん 22:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Teh context is that many Morrocians live in Sweden, among them the leader of Moroccian republicans, and his Radio Islam is famous until Morocco. It is not important if we like that guy or not. --Roksanna 15:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The article doesn't give that context. 惑乱 分からん 15:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Now it does. --Roksanna 18:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
It's better, but it still needs work... 惑乱 分からん 18:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Northernmost mosque in the world[edit]

Saint Petersburg lies to the North of Uppsala. The Saint Petersburg Mosque was built in 1913. In any case, since then mosques have been built in Norwegian Tromsø and Russian Norilsk.

In other words, there is no way Uppsala or Umeå for that matter, could have had the northernmost mosque in the world. Or even in Europe. Or Scandinavia.

After finding a claim that ... Fort McMurray, Alberta had the northernmost mosque in the world, I am considering creating a category "Towns claiming to have the northernmost mosque in the world". Six already. --Pan Gerwazy 15:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Nasir mosque?[edit]

What's the deal with the Nasir mosque? Was it really the first in Sweden? Why is it not considered Muslim? Recently it was deleted, for unclear reasons. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * (talk) 18:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it´s regarded as the first mosque in Sweden as a separate building (1976). As you can see it´s an Ahmadiyya mosque, hence not always considered Muslim by others. --Auc (talk) 21:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

reg imporper ref in Popular perceptions[edit]

Taylor Nelson Sofres on behalf of the UK-based think tank Open Europe in March 2007, only 22% of the Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a threat for our country

Above is a quote from the article. I just checked the reference provided which is a link to this place open europe site. There is a line mentioning this about Islamic fundamentalism: "Across the EU as a whole, 52% said they agreed with the statement. A majority agreed with the statement in 18 member states, while a majority were against in 9 member states." There is no mention of Sweden at all. So, removing this reference and tagging for fact. Prashanthns (talk) 12:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Further down on that page one can read:

"Notes for editors

A breakdown of the results on globalisation and foreign policy is available at:"

In that file you can find the raw data from the poll.

And I just wanted to add that according to the data 56% in Sweden (SE) said that "Islamic fundamentalism is a threat for our country", not 22% as stated earlier. //Markus

—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The source is reported correctly, the question is whether we really need to cite it or if there isn't some better way to describe the preception of Islamic fundamentalism in Sweden. Now that Sweden has its own cartoon controversy complete with suicide bombings, I am sure the question will be more visible on the public agenda.

I think from a historical perception, the 2000s mark a "phase transition" in the status of Islam in Western Europe (Northwestern Europe), passing from barely visible immigrant communities in 1990 to a clear and present threat to society by 2010. It's not that Islam has "always been" a threat and people are only just now waking up to the realization, it seems to be the case that in a real sense its general shape has changed into something hostile since 2000. It's too early to report on this in an objective manner, of course, as this is ongoing, but I presume this is the way things are going to look from the perspective of 2030 or so. --dab (𒁳) 10:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

--agreed that there have certainly been 'problems' with such mass muslim immigration, many articles in the MSM and alternaive press, it deserves better coverage. I'm not sure how reliable a lot out there is, but there seem to be plenty of anectodal stories about an increase in violence, and especially rape. Some of this, naturally, has a racist and/or Islamophobic motivation, but likely not all of it. (talk)jpt — Preceding undated comment added 01:14, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Personal opinions in this text[edit]

It is written that the Sweden Democrats are far-right. The source is from their own party program where nothing about being far-right is mentioned. They tend not to put themselves on the left/right scale. Whoever wrote it is making his or her own claim that the Sweden Democrats are far-right and does not support it with an appropiate source. This claim should thus be removed.

For your information I removed the claim now and I sincerely hope that it remains as it is written now. -- (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Islamic Swedish flag[edit]

Would user Holy islamic state of the Germanic Nation explain the origin of File:الدولة الإسلامية المقدسة للأمة الجرمانية.jpg and verify its use in the article with the caption "Muslims Swedish adherents symbol" as added in Diff of Islam in Sweden and Diff of Islam in Sweden? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 06:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

yes it shows the native Muslims Swedish adherents to Islam.--Holy islamic state of the Germanic Nation (talk) 06:53, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
That's a non-answer to my questions, but I will clarify:
A. Specify the origin of the flag.
B. Verify using a reliable, secondary source that the flag is used by Swedish Muslims.
-- Sam Sailor Talk! 06:56, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
the origin of the flag is basically Swedish flag with the Islamic symbol like the Crescent.--Holy islamic state of the Germanic Nation (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Sveriges muslimska förbund, SMF or the Muslim Association of Sweden which is Sweden's largest Muslim organisation uses the flag for the native Muslims Swedish adherents to Islam.--Holy islamic state of the Germanic Nation (talk) 07:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Verify that, please. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:07, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Verify what?--Holy islamic state of the Germanic Nation (talk) 07:10, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
That the flag is used by the Muslim Association of Sweden. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 07:14, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't see it used on their website. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:18, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Google images and Tineye displays a similar flag (without the text), but only on xenophobic websites. Sjö (talk) 08:08, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Correct, Sjö, I was just about to post this TinEye search with four hits. None of them include the text Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية المقدسة للأمة الجرمانية‎‎ ("Holy Islamic State of the Germanic Nation"), and I assume it has been added by the homonymous user. The Muslim Association of Sweden by all accounts does not use the image without and certainly not with this supposedly made up name. So what is the deal here? Why add this to the article? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 08:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

As I've mentioned in this AN/I discussion started by Sam, I don't believe this user is here to build an encyclopedia. They have displayed a blatant disregard for sourcing requirements, and the addition of flags such as this may well be some sort of political statement. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
agree-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

even if it is the official flag of Muslim Association of Sweden, that is not the subject of this article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)