Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

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  • "ISIS not the Islamic state it fiercely claims to be". Olean Times Herald. March 18, 2015. I approach Wikipedia cautiously as to whether its abundant information on a multitude of subjects is complete and authoritative. But I salute the site for its numerous citations concerning the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS — specifically the "criticism of the name 'Islamic State' and 'caliphate' declaration" (found under its entry for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant).  (details)

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ISIL massacres[edit]

Full horror of the Yazidis who didn’t escape Mount Sinjar: UN confirms 5,000 men were executed and 7,000 women are now kept as sex slaves

Isis slaughter: Islamic State massacres 140 civilians in Kobani attack

IS Yazidi attacks may be genocide, says UN

yazidis massacre

UN: ISIS Massacred 700 Turkmen--Including Women, Children, Elderly

ISIS Tikrit Massacre

A massacre against the Türkmen by this terrorist organization ISIL in Emirli is imminent

Iraq’s besieged Yazidi and Turkmen minorities cry for help


Just a request, but can someone bolden the romanized Arabic so people can see how it becomes Daesh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CB:8001:28EB:D63:4B7F:A521:2B12 (talk) 16:48, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

You mean how it become "Daesh" in Arabic or you just ask to change font to bolden? Ahmed L.mousa (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Pointing out how the letters form the acronym from the Romanized Arabic is next to impossible, because transliteration approximates sounds, not letters. The "a" in "Da'esh" comes from the "I" in "al-Islamiyah" -- because the Arabic letter is the same, and the difference in pronunciation is based on context and diacritical marks. (talk) 02:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Additionally, can someone please correct the pronunciation? It's not an [i] after the stop, if anything it's a minimized schwa. Compare to the pronunciation of "da'es" (treader/trampler). (talk) 02:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


Daesh occupies territory, runs an administration, collects taxes, and has an armed forces. It purports to be a state. I believe that it meets every criteria for being considered a state. Some commentators, and politicians, have described it as such. Others have avoided any suggestion that it is a state - for political reasons (i.e. not to give Daesh credibility). Whether or not one wishes to support or oppose ISIL, I believe that the facts speak for themselves. An analogy would be Nazi Germany. Few people these days would openly support that regime, and most would consider it illegitimate, but it was still the legal government of Germany. To pretend otherwise out of ideological considerations is not justified. Similarly Somaliland and Abkhazia, and such unrecognized or partially recognised states are nonetheless described in Wikipedia as states. I recommend that this article be rewritten to describe ISIL as a state, albeit an unrecognized one.Royalcourtier (talk) 01:08, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

You are far from the first person to suggest this. Do you have sufficient reliable sources to draw material from and justify the change in description? Dimadick (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

It is a terrorist organization, not a state. Also, Al Nusra is not a state. The two occupy territories of states. --Panam2014 (talk) 22:16, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
No state recognizes it as a state, making it pretty much baseless. Nazi Germany was not an occupation, it was still Germany. And Somaliland is described as unrecognized. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Social media mention in summary[edit]

In the fourth paragraph/third sentence of the summary ISIL is described as "Adept at social media". This wording appears to make this subjective characteristic factual without any citations or reasoning, and could probably be improved by expanding with content and citations from the Propaganda and Social Media section; however, I couldn't figure a way to fit it in with the existing sentence structure. Any help? Distransient (talk) 06:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Do you think we ca resolve it via attribution? --Mhhossein (talk) 07:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Non-correct graphic design of the flag[edit]

Either correct the graphic design either add a paragraph that explains the reasons why ISIS hates calligraphy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4109:BF00:C4A2:387E:F301:C52F (talk) 13:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2016[edit]

ISIS was founded in 2013 not 1999 (talk) 09:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done. Its current iteration emerged in 2014, but it's been around in other forms since 1999, as per the sources presented in the article. GABgab 14:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguate ISIS redirect again?[edit]

FYI: On Talk:ISIS there are some opinions (including mine) about restoring ISIS as the disambiguation page (Currently Isis (disambiguation)) in lieu of the current redirect to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.  « Saper // @talk »  00:21, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Change/clarification on Daesh pronunciation/Arabic IPA[edit]

I'm struggling to understand how "Daesh" is supposed to be pronounced.

The article says "Arabic: داعش‎‎ dāʿish, IPA: [ˈdaːʕiʃ]", but that can't be right. First of all, "ā" represents a long A (at least in English and therefore on but the IPA pronunciation given immediately after indicates it should actually be a short a. Second, "i" (by itself) is not even a symbol used in IPA for Arabic, so it's unclear whether it's meant to be read as "ɪ" or "i:".

Rutebega (talk) 01:40, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

"Desh" means one's country or native land. I would say "Daesh" would be pronounced as "Desh", as in Bangladesh. It could be meant to cryptically refer to ISIS, as Desh usually refers to own country/native land[1] !!! --Ne0 (talk) 06:56, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
@Rutebega: I don't understand what you're saying about the ā. [aː] represents long a; the [ː] is the length symbol.
The i is short. The IPA transcription isn't following the IPA help page. I just fixed that. Does it make more sense to you now? — Eru·tuon 07:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Add Obama as possible founder[edit]


Obviously no consensus for this. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should we include Obama as a 'possible' founder of ISIS, because of Trumps claim that he is, i.e see

Since Wikipedia is based on verify ability, I think it passes that test --Eng. M.Bandara-Talk 04:19, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Trump is not a reliable scholarly source for such a libelous claim. --HyperGaruda (talk) 08:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose as, of course, neither is the Daily Mail. Muffled Pocketed 09:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose in the name of seriousness....Aflis (talk) 11:02, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose WP:COMMONSENSE and founder. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 15:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose and question sincerity and purpose of this patently foolish RFC. If serious, submitter should be required to carefully read WP:RS and be warned that further use of poor quality sources will result in a block. Not the first time for this editor. Ravensfire (talk) 16:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Even Donald Trump has tried to walk back that ridiculous assertion. He has said he was being sarcastic.[2]Smeat75 (talk) 17:34, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Conspiracy theories[edit]

What is the point in including fruity loops in this article? --BowlAndSpoon (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)