Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

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Does this article really need 815 references? (Unsigned)

I'm going to look at content reductions / moving some sections to separate articles. Power~enwiki (talk) 22:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

we've done major spinouts, but significant content on those topics has creeped back in. If trimming, look at what is already covered in subtopics first and remove redundency. Legacypac (talk) 22:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


The removal of this section [1] was a very good move. I happen to have a lot of knowledge about this group and I believe the entire idea that any meaningful number of Muslim Chinese are fighting with ISIL is a pure invention by Beijing to discredit and suppress these people. Please keep it out. I'm an unbias outsider to that conflict. Legacypac (talk) 01:52, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I would support keeping a paragraph on it, except all the references refer to individuals and not to there being a significant number of people involved. Due to the promotional/human-interest nature of the coverage, having 5 stories about 5 separate individuals implies only that there are 5 people involved, nothing more. Power~enwiki (talk) 01:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
an english language Chinese government owned news site put out the idea there were 3000 Uyger fighters with families living in villages in Syria fighting with ISIL. One of the more obviously false narratives. The odd Uyger fighter deserves no more prominance here then afforded a French or Belgian or UK citizen, who are far more common in ISIL ranks. Legacypac (talk) 02:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Opponents in Infobox[edit]

The current listed opponents in infobox are:

State opponents

Iran Iraq Saudi Arabia Syria Russia Turkey Lebanon United States

Which seems pretty random. The UK, France, Jordan, Canada, UAE and soem others have all done significant bombing. I Canada for instance has special forces on the ground, one of whom shattered the record for the longest kill shot in history. Lebanon, on the other hand, has very limited involvement even though ISIL hides out in some Lebanon valleys. Then you have countries like Libya, Philippines, Egypt, and Nigeria that are fighting ISIL branches at home. What about other countries that have suffered ISIL terror attacks? Is there some rational to the inclusion criteria here? What is the logic to the order? Should it be alphabetical or put Iraq and Syria at the top followed by other countries in rough order of scale of fight? Legacypac (talk) 02:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


Why isn't Israel presented as an opponent to ISIS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Because ISIS never attacked Israel (on 25th April , 2016, ISIS carried an attack at an IDF unit and later apologised). Also IDF's medics provided health support — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:43, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Someone claims ISIS was founded in 1999[edit]

"ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999".

it's not confirmed or widely shared opinion. however it's presented as a fact, with no refs. it should be either removed or written in a way " 1999, according to an opinion of Joby Warrick".

by the way, any islamist organization pretends to be originating in past, referring themselves even into relatives of prophet Mohammad. we should not buy their claims without facts. (talk) 21:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)