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List of attacks[edit]

FYI, there was a discussion about the list of attacks a few months ago: Talk:Islamic_terrorism/Archive_8#Order_of_sections--proposed_reorder. The consensus was that this article should stick to running text and leave the list to the list article. Eperoton (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

"Islamist terrorism"[edit]

It seems like this form is used in this article as well. Should it be replaced with "Islamic terrorism"? Llightex (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Both phrases are prominent in RSs. In fact, "Islamist terrorism" seems to be more prominent than "radical Islamic terrorism". A Google Books phrase search yields 25,900 results for the former and 4,330 results for latter. I'll add it to the definition. The most NPOV-compliant approach would be to use the form that's used in the source cited for that specific portion of the text. Eperoton (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Some stats:
Ngrams indicate "Islamic Terrorism" as the most used term.
Similar results are found in searches of the last six months of news:
a search of "Islamic terrorism" got "About 12,800 results" while
a search of "Islamist terrorism" got "About 6,320 results".
I think that a logical assumption is that many articles that use the wording, "Islamist terrorism" will also use "Islamic terrorism" yet it is also clear that many other articles solely use "Islamic terrorism".
A similarly formatted search on "radical Islamic terrorism" got "About 6,450 results".
GregKaye 06:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
I wouldn't make that assumption. It wouldn't hold for authors who use the term "Islamist terrorism" because they don't like the other variants. Eperoton (talk) 21:36, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Various important statistics and articles[edit]

Here are various relevant sources of information that I have found. I would appreciate help with incorporating it into the article.

42% of young Muslims in France, and 35% of young Muslims in Britain support suicide bombings:

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Further information about the subject. Among other things, 59% of all Palestinian Muslims support suicide bombings:

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/

33% of Muslims students in France are sympathetic towards terrorism:

http://www.la-croix.com/France/Exclusion/La-tentation-radicalite-chez-jeunes-musulmans-banlieue-2017-03-20-1200833366

There are 23000 Jihadists in Britain:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq

Only 34% of British Muslims would contact the police if somebody they knew had been involved with terrorism:

http://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/icm-muslims-survey-for-channel-4/

17000 French Muslims are known to be potential terrorists:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/05/france-doesnt-know-what-to-do-with-the-17000-people-it-labels-potential-terrorists/

18884 Belgian Muslims are known to have connections to terrorism:

http://mobile.lesoir.be/1487295/article/actualite/belgique/2017-04-21/18884-personnes-fichees-pour-terrorisme-en-belgique

The Jihadists are winning the propaganda warfare with western countries, which drastically increases radicalisation, and turns it harder to stop:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39448987

The Islamic State has 30000 Internet pages that spread its propaganda:

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-has-30000-website-strong-virtual-caliphate-warns-eu-terror-chief-632534?amp=1

A study about jihadism and islamic radicalisation in the western countries:

https://icct.nl/publication/fear-thy-neighbor-radicalization-and-jihadist-attacks-in-the-west/

21% of Syrians support ISIS:

https://www.statista.com/chart/4227/support-for-isis-in-muslim-countries/

Europol reports that the Islamic State is radicalising Muslim immigrants into jihadists:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/islamic-state-changing-terror-tactics-to-maintain-threat-in-europe

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are directly inciting Islamist extremism in Europe via their thousands of Wahhabist/Salafist mosques:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-gulf-states-fund-islamic-extremism-germany-salafism-wahhabism-qatar-kuwait-islamists-a7473551.html

The Saudi-financed Salafist/Wahhabist mosques in Germany are even too extremist for Syrians:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-mosques-insig-idUSKCN12S0HE

Saudi Arabia and Qatar directly finance and give logistics aid to the Islamic State terrorist organisation:

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/12/hillary-clinton-acknowledges-saudi-terror-financing-in-hacked-email-hinting-at-tougher-approach/

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/clinton-foundation-donors-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-give-isis-clandestine-financial-and-logistic-support-says-hillary-clinton-in-leaked-emails-35121625.html

Several statistics regarding what Europeans think about Islam, terrorism, and national security:

https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/looking-to-germany-to-protect-the-world-order-779939/

How the Islamic State indoctrinates children:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/for-the-children-of-isis-target-practice-starts-at-age-6-by-their-teens-theyre-ready-to-be-suicide-bombers/2016/10/06/3b59f0fc-8664-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html

240 textbooks in United Nations sponsored schools in Palestine teach the Muslim children to murder Jews:

http://jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-text-books-in-UNWRA-schools-reportedly-teach-of-killing-Jews-472012

The ongoing genocide on Christians in the Middle-East will likely have exterminated all of them within 10 years:

http://www.acnuk.org/persecuted

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/christianity-on-course-to-disappear-in-parts-of-middle-east-as-ethnic-cleansing-continues-report-a6728831.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3311716/Christians-face-wiped-Middle-East-TEN-YEARS-killed-ISIS-forced-flee-persecution-warn-Catholic-aid-groups.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bloody-sunday-on-joyous-holiday-parents-search-for_us_58ebeab6e4b081da6ad006c0?

The Muslim Brotherhood spends a great amount of money on lobbying, to avoid the terrorist designation:

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/03/muslim-brotherhood-spending-millions-to-fight-terror-designation/ David A (talk) 15:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Islamic terrorism editing help needed[edit]


I might soon get topic banned, so I would appreciate if somebody could please add the following references to the page, if they are deemed appropriate. Thank you.

33% of Muslims students in France are sympathetic towards terrorism:

http://www.la-croix.com/France/Exclusion/La-tentation-radicalite-chez-jeunes-musulmans-banlieue-2017-03-20-1200833366

There are 23000 Jihadists in Britain:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq

Only 34% of British Muslims would contact the police if somebody they knew had been involved with terrorism:

http://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/icm-muslims-survey-for-channel-4/

17000 French Muslims are known to be potential terrorists:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/05/france-doesnt-know-what-to-do-with-the-17000-people-it-labels-potential-terrorists/

18884 Belgian Muslims are known to have connections to terrorism:

http://mobile.lesoir.be/1487295/article/actualite/belgique/2017-04-21/18884-personnes-fichees-pour-terrorisme-en-belgique

The Islamic State has 30000 Internet pages that spread its propaganda:

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-has-30000-website-strong-virtual-caliphate-warns-eu-terror-chief-632534?amp=1

21% of Syrians support ISIS:

https://www.statista.com/chart/4227/support-for-isis-in-muslim-countries/

Europol reports that the Islamic State is radicalising Muslim immigrants into jihadists:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/islamic-state-changing-terror-tactics-to-maintain-threat-in-europe

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are directly inciting Islamist extremism in Europe via their thousands of Wahhabist/Salafist mosques:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-gulf-states-fund-islamic-extremism-germany-salafism-wahhabism-qatar-kuwait-islamists-a7473551.html

Bill Gates says that bioterrorism is one of the greatest existential threats to humanity, alongside nuclear war and global warming:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/18/technology/bill-gates-bio-terrorism/index.html

Over two thirds of all Islamic terrorists in Europe have been radicalised by fundamentalist hate-preacher imams:

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/v%C3%A4rlden/religi%C3%B6sa-hatpredikanter-styr-islamistisk-terror-i-europa-1.4632813

The regime in Palestine uses half of all foreign aid money to finance terrorism:

http://nypost.com/2017/07/28/palestinian-authority-now-uses-half-of-all-foreign-aid-to-reward-terror/

The Swedish Security Service (SÄPO) receives an average of 200 reports of planned terrorism every day:

https://www.svd.se/terrorplaner-och-hot--sapo-offentliggor-inkomna-tips

The German police department have at least 900 cases of terrorism under investigation so far in 2017:

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-terrorism-prosecution-cases-soar-report/a-41065442

David A (talk) 09:00, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

no No action Not a legitimate COI edit request.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  21:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

weight on scholarship by Olivier Roy[edit]

In the section Religious motivation, the information by Olivier is presented at length. There are other scholars, like Gilles Kepel we could also present. Does anyone have any suitable & publicly available sources by him? Googling in French is not my forte. AadaamS (talk) 10:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

islam terrorism[edit]

This is not a forum to discuss generally the topic of Islamic terrorism. ValarianB (talk) 20:59, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Islam never support terrorism. Who doing the terror attack they didn't know what the quran says. If any one didn't trust what I'm saying just study the quran & learn what it says. Ashick78 (talk) 05:13, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry buddy, we are not fools. Do you want us to believe that the terrorsists have misunderstood Islam? They did WTC 16 years ago. and then they committed their daily bucket of three to five attacks somewhere across the globe today. Misunderstandings never last this long. In todays age, misunderstandings do not last even one day. Islam supports terrorism. Period. Mohammad was a liar about his claims of prophethood and he committed every crime that is termed as terrorism today. His followers did the same for 1400 years. I am sure it is you who hasn't read the Quran or you may have read only false pro-Islam propaganda cherry picked from the quran like killing of one man is killing of all humanity" and so forth. Do remember to read the hadith and the sira. Bye. May you see the light and quit Islam. 182.58.61.43 (talk) 20:41, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

WP:RNPOV[edit]

This article does not comply with WP:RNPOV , maybe because it is only edited by non-muslims AyaanLamar (talk) 11:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

If you have specific suggestions, it would be best to note that here. Putting a tag on the page and then accusing non-Islamic editors of inherent bias is probably going to earn yuou some sort of restriction or block in the long run. ValarianB (talk) 13:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Better yet, please provide specific suggestions supported by WP:RS sources. AadaamS (talk) 18:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Actually the religion of the editors is immaterial to the content of the article, that would be a sort of identity politics to suggest that "a certain category of editors" is required to make a good article, this is not true. What is required are WP:RS that are presented in a neutral manner. If the condition for "NPOV met" in this case is the religion of the authors, that makes the POV tag inavlid. AadaamS (talk) 18:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC)