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Requested move 20 December 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved with the en dash modification. History of the target page moved to Jackal-dog hybrid in order to preserve the attribution history. Jenks24 (talk) 04:28, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


Jackal-wolf hybridJackal–dog hybrid – This was the article's original name, but was erroneously moved to the current title a few years ago. Considering there is far more material pertaining to jackal-dog crossings than jackal-wolf crossings, the former title, logically, should take precedence. Mariomassone (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

What I mean is that it should be "Jackal–dog hybrid". See the endash (–) instead of the hyphen (-)? HandsomeFella (talk) 22:17, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why not. Mariomassone (talk) 22:26, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Great, because this is what the article says in the lede. HandsomeFella (talk) 22:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Adapting to the accepted change. HandsomeFella (talk) 07:37, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Note to closing editor: the target for this proposed move is a redirect that was previously an article, but was apparently merged with this one. There may be history versions that need to be preserved. HandsomeFella (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
    • Comment: I assure you there isn't. I was heavily involved in writing it years ago, and everything relevant is preserved here. The only thing removed was a pseudoscientific source promoting a certain dog breed. Mariomassone (talk) 09:50, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Illegally shot?[edit]

You mean illegally shot, not legally. If an animal has domestic blood, shooting it is by law illegal. Don't say it is legal because it's not. I wouldn't be surprised five years later if a news report came on saying that those were actually somebody's pets. --69.178.52.50 (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2016 (UTC)Thunder808

That's not what the journal where the photos come from. Also, wild hybrids between dogs and coyotes are shot all the time, so you're wrong. Mariomassone (talk) 18:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
"Putting down" one's own animals is legal in many if not most jurisdictions, as long as it's done humanely. People may not like it, but it is what it is.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  02:10, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 9 November 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved  — Amakuru (talk) 16:04, 16 November 2017 (UTC)


Jackal–dog hybridJackal-dog hybrid – Title currently has an EN-DASH and should be a HYPHEN, refer Wolf-dog hybrid as an example. I cannot move it because Jackal–dog hybrid exists as a redirect. William Harris • (talk) • 11:06, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
@William Harris and SMcCandlish: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Appleyard (talkcontribs) 16:51, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
@William Harris and SMcCandlish: Re-ping since the last one probably didn't work. Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

'morning Mac. This request has come from a review of a Canis-related article by the Guild of Copy Editors. The advice I have been given is as follows:

  • MOS:HYPHEN, specifically In some cases, like diode–transistor logic, the independent status of the linked elements requires an en dash instead of a hyphen. See En dashes below., but see also MOS:DASH, specifically the examples in In compounds when the connection might otherwise be expressed with to, versus, and, or between. Perhaps the "jackal-wolf hybrid" is similar to the example "blue-green algae", in which, according to this example, since "blue-green" is a "blended, intermediate color", a hyphen is correct.

Therefore, I refer to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#In compounds when the connection might otherwise be expressed with to, versus, and, or between where it states: "Wrong: blue–green algae; a blended, intermediate color, so use a hyphen: blue-green algae"

In my opinion, a jackal-dog hybrid is a mixture similar to a blue-green algae - it mixes elements of both. Which ever way you decide to go, it should be made consistent across all articles that use this device. William Harris • (talk) • 21:45, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Blue-green is a true compound adjective, as in strawberry-blonde hair. Jackal–dog is linkage to two discrete entities, as in US–Canadian border and Dunning–Kruger effect. Note how blue, green, strawberry (as a color) and blonde (as a color) are not discrete entities; you can't reach out and touch a "blue", but you can do so with a jackal, with Canada (in a way), with Prof. Dunning (in theory), etc. I'm in GOCE, too. We don't always all agree, but I'd bet money the MoS regulars will agree on this one. :-) I've looked again at the parts you're quoting, and they all seem correct to me after all (I'd initially thought there was an issue). The cases illustrated for dash, like the case here, are all of this form: "Here, the relationship is thought of as parallel, symmetric, equal, oppositional, or at least involving separate or independent elements. The components may be nouns, adjectives, verbs, or any other independent part of speech. Often if the components are reversed there would be little change of meaning."  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  23:49, 9 November 2017 (UTC); edited: 02:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Update: The problem is actually in vague wording in MOS:HYPHEN and lack of a cross-reference from the applicable segment of it to MOS:DASH. Opened a "let's clarify this" thread at WT:MOS.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  02:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose per MOS:DASH and SMcCandlish. This is a hybrid, with the en dash signaling a symmetric relationship. Pretty much like wolfdog, where the article has said for many years "A wolfdog (also called a wolf–dog hybrid ...". Dicklyon (talk) 20:46, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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