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Once more I am asking you to remove the part about Jacob's (the colonel) parents. Old George married Catherine Bellinger and it is accepted that George and Catherine were the parents of Jacob G. Klock. You still have the Klocks mixed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you asked for information,previously I submitted an article on the colonel but it was never used. You found the colonel's will in my book, that should clear his death date. Here is the link to the copy of the handwritten will. http://threerivershms.com/klockwill1.htm http://threerivershms.com/klockwill2.htm I am sending a link for information on Jacob G. Klock. He was a respected judge and served in the state assembly. Here is information on Jacob G. copy and paste) http://www.threerivershms.com/mohawkdutchch8.htm It was written by Milo Nellis and is used with permission. Again, no one knows the date or birth or parentage for the colonel. Believe me, we have all looked. I don't consider a date in a genealogy as proof, I want some original source material. Please remove the part about George from the colonel's article right away? It has nothing to do with Jacob and it looks like you are trying to discredit the colonel. George's family found him to be a bit of a trial, which is another story. If you go to the opening page of my website, you will find my e-mail address which would be easier than this method. http://threerivershms.com or http://morrisonspensions.org
This link had not been working previously. I find it strange that you take information from the book I wrote and use it as a reference, but don't believe anything I have said otherwise. If you look at some of the original documents from the National Archives concerning the 2d regiment, you will see that the colonel was actively serving as colonel of the 2nd regiment during the time you state he was in the assembly. A copy of his will is in the book you quoted, it was probated in 1798. Jacob G. was the Judge, and so forth and died in 1814. I'm not sure if he was the colonel's nephew or cousin. Since I wrote the Terror book, I have come to realize the Jacob Klock I found in the old Albany, First Reformed Church baptismal records was probably from a generation before the colonel. We truly are not sure where the colonel fits in the Klock family or when he was born. Since he was a captain in the French & Indian Wars, and was recorded as captured in 1762, he was probably between 25-30 years old. His son Jacob Junior had a commission and turned Loyalist late in the war. He had to be in his 20s at that time. So the marriage date you quoted could not be, or he would have been about 16 when he was commissioned and that was not likely. My guess, and this is a guess, is that the colonel was born sometime about 1725-30. Jacob Jr. was born in 1750 and was the second child of the colonel and Catherina Nellis. Dave Klock places Jacob Junior as dying in 1798, the same year as his father. My interest has not been Klock genealogy but the military history of the war in the Mohawk Valley. I have gotten some 20,000 copies of original documents from the national archives to study and I am learning more daily. I am sharing my information through my extensive historical websites and through books. Another well known local historian, James F. Morrison and I are collaborating on the pension applications and have about 1,000 of them on line right now. Jim has studied the men who served for his entire life. The other huge site is the one with the local history on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 21:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Welcome to Wikipedia. If there is a dispute among editors on Wikipedia concerning the accuracy of an article, the article is flagged as being in dispute. The editors then discuss the issues on the associated discussion page. Consensus among the editors is required.
- All three editors of the article agree that the article has problems with accuracy. The information in an article needs to be supported with citations from reliable sources.
- You previously stated (without citation) that Colonel Klock died in 1798 and was not a Senator. I have found reliable sources which supports these statements, and these two items are no longer dispute. On your new items noted above, I need some more time to determine if I agree.
- All of what you state above may be true, but are you able to support your above statements by citations from reliable sources?
- Wikipedia is not supposed to be for genealogical information, but we at least need to get Colonel Klock's date of birth, death, and parents correct. You seem to have alot of information on the American Revolutionary War in the Mohawk Valley. Wikipedia's coverage of this area is poor, and your contributions would be appreciated. BradMajors (talk) 00:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
"In 1777, he was a judge for Tryon County..He represented Tryon County in the New York state assembly from September 1777 to 1778, and was a member of the New York state senate from the western district from 1778-1785."
There seems to be confusion between Jacob Klock and Jacob G. Klock. The former was the colonel, and the latter the judge and member of the assembly and senate. Jacob G. died in 1814, the colonel in 1798. Original comment by "184.108.40.206", moved to the discussion page by BradMajors (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Looking over my sources, yes I think it is possible I have mixed up Colonel Klock with assembly man Klock. I am investigating.
- There are four Jacob Klock's in Tryon County for the 1790 census so a confusion is possible.
- Do you have any more information on who this 2nd Jacob Klock (the assembly man) was so that we can tell these two persons apart?
- Yes, there was a Jacob Klock who died in 1798 and another Jacob Klock who died in 1814. I don't yet have a reliable source for which of these was Colonel Jacob Klock's date of death.
- What source do you have which includes Colonel Jacob Klock died in 1798 and not in 1814? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BradMajors (talk • contribs) 20:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
My name is Dave Klock and I research the Klock Family and write a monthly newsletter called Klock Connections. I would like to comment of this little article that is on this site on Col. Jacob Klock. You have at least three Jacob Klock’s mixed up here. First of all, no one really knows the birth year of Col. Jacob Klock or who his parents really were. If is generally accepted that he was the son of Hendrick Klock, but no one really knows for sure. Col. Jacob Klock did die in 1798, that part is correct, but he was not Judge Jacob Klock and did not serve as a member of the New York Assembly. That was his nephew (the son of Old George) who was the Judge. There are always two sides to every story and the information about Old George is very one sided, the side of Sir. William Johnson. Klock and Johnson were enemies, both trying to get as much land as possible and at any means they felt necessary, I am not saying he was a Saint, he wasn’t, but it is unfair to condemn him or anyone using only one side of the story. At any rate, I thought I should let you know that you have several Jacob’s Klock here and not just Col. Jacob Klock.
- The accuracy of the article has already been flagged and all three persons who have edited the article agree that the article has accuracy issues. What is needed is citations from reliable sources that either disagree or are in agreement with what is in the article. BradMajors (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Judge Jacob Klock
The editors are in agreement that Jacob Klock and Judge Jacob George Klock (judge) are different persons. A separate article has been created for Judge Klock. The "Jacob Klock" article should likely be renamed "Jacob Klock (colonel)" to avoid confusion. ... now for the other items. BradMajors (talk) 01:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Moved the page to Jacob Klock (colonel) as suggested to avoid confusion, and copied disambig content to Jacob Klock. I dorftrottel I talk I 06:27, December 10, 2007
The editors are in agreement??? What are the credentials for the editors besides pompous wind bags who hide behind a keyboard and run their mouth. Do any of them have expertise in the Mohawk Valley or Jacob Klock. The experts ARE posting here and trying to give you the correct information and your editor windbags are puffing up and saying THEY, who obviously have no knowledge on the subject, are deciding accuracy. It is hilarious that you steal information in violation of copyright laws from a published author and then tell him he is not qualified to edit an article written by some jack ass who does not have a clue. You pulled the same BS on me.Wikipedia provides a medium for people to steal the work of others and encourages them to post it here so they can use the work of others to try to become the messiah of information on the net. They try to avoid ending up in court for copyright violation by crying "We did not post it." It so blatantly obvious you people are scum bags making a living by peddling the work of others. Someday a smart lawyer is going to empty your bank accounts. Someday you will put yourself in arms reach of somebody like me who WILL punish your ass for stealing my hard work. Wikipedia This.(220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC))
I am dropping all my objections to any issue with accuracy concerning with the Jacob Klock article. I have no objections to any edits of any kind by any person to the article. BradMajors (talk) 01:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)