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Plane, not airline?[edit]

This article appears to be quite confused -- "Jal Hans" is the name of plane, and there is no separate airline, it's just operated by Pawan Hans. See [1] and [2]. Jpatokal (talk) 10:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Acoording to the references cited within the article its an airline - and these are several reputed newspapers that have been cited. Whereas the links provided by you are of that of a travel portal and a blog (which is not considered WP:RS). Do you have any better sources to back your claim? Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 17:36, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Well although Jpatokal hasn't cited RS's above, here are a few exerpts from the sources in the article:
  1. Zee News: Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel Monday launched 'Jal Hans' - the country's first seaplane - at Juhu aerodrom. The service will be operationalised under a memorandum of understanding signed between the Andaman and Nicobar administration and the state-owned Pawan Hans Helicopters Ltd (PHHL)
  2. Indian Express: Calling it the “Jal Hans”, government-owned Pawan Hans launched India’s first seaplane operation on Monday with one eight seater Cessna 208 A in Mumbai.
  3. The Hindu: In a boost to coastal tourism, Mr. Patel launched the first seaplane service in the country at the Juhu aerodrome here and named it ‘Jal Hans. A joint venture has been formed between Pawan Hans Helicopters Limited (PHHL) and the Andaman and Nicobar administration on an equal profit-sharing basis.
  4. CNN-IBN: The commercial operation of India's first seaplane - Jal Hans - began today at Port Blair in Andaman and Nicobar Islands.
From the above, none of the sources ever mention that Jal Hans is an airline. I believe it's only a class of service for Andaman and Nicobar islands by Pawan Hans. Besides, if it is an airline, then it's missing its IATA and ICAO codes and a callsign. Abhishek Talk to me 17:58, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Yup, and eg. Zee News definitely sounds like they're talking about a single airplane: Jal Hans is fitted with modern navigation features. It can travel up to 250 km per hour and can land on most calm waters. It can also land on ground using the wheels configuration. Jpatokal (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
On the other hand, the pic in this article shows the plane's name to be "Marylyn". Jpatokal (talk) 00:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
From the same articles
  1. Indian Express:"Calling it the “Jal Hans”, government-owned Pawan Hans launched India’s first seaplane operation on Monday with one eight seater Cessna 208 A in Mumbai."
  • With one ... clearly means it is not the name of the aircraft but the actual seaplane operation
  1. The Hindu:"In a boost to coastal tourism, Mr. Patel launched the first seaplane service in the country at the Juhu aerodrome here and named it ‘Jal Hans.'"
  • again we are talking of a sea plane service not an aircraft
  1. Zee News:"Jal Hans, which will be operated through a Cessna 208A that has a capacity of eight passengers and two pilots, will connect capital Port Blair with Havelock Island and subsequently other islands in the North Andamans to promote tourism."
  • again they say "will be operated through a.." not is the name of the particular aircraft
Maybe I jumped the gun to say that the commercial seaplane service is an airline (Abhishek - Im not sure how this operates without an IATA or ICAO code myself, bit confused on that one. I tried to find this info when I started the article but ran up a brick wall), however from the above its clearly the name of a seaplane service/operation and not one particular aircraft. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 05:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
As I said previously, I think that Jal Hans is not a single aircraft but a seaplane service from Pawan Hans something similar to the low-cost service Kingfisher Red by Kingfisher Airlines. Besides, I have notified editors at the aviation's project page here. Abhishek Talk to me 10:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
From what I understand, a commercial operator has have regularly scheduled routes to be an Airline. If not then it is considered a Charter airline service. The latter seems to be the case now, but I am not sure. From looking at a couple India Times news articles on Jal Hans, the references to it being an airplane are being loose with terminology or inaccurate. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2011 (UTC)