Talk:James FitzJames, 1st Duke of Berwick

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Outlaw 2009[edit]

I was under the impression that Berwick was outlawed, and that therefore his title was forfeit. Proteus 19:46 GMT, 17th January 2004

The site listed on the article page provides a caption for the picture of the second Duke: "James Francis Fitz-James, son of the Duke of Berwick and Honora de Burgo. He was Duke of Berwick and Duke of Liria, and married Dona Catarina of Portugal, sister of the Duke of Veraquas." -- Lord Emsworth 01:30, Jan 21, 2004 (UTC)

That may be more of an indication of the opinion of the Duke's son than any official statement that he was actually the 2nd Duke. The 1st Duke was never attainted by Act of Parliament, but as far as I'm aware he was declared an outlaw and his name was removed from the Roll of the House of Lords (outlawry being another way of forfeiting titles by attainder). Some people seem to have claimed that he was in fact still the Duke of Berwick (and that the continental noble who is currently his heir (the Duque de Penaranda de Duero, I believe) is de jure Duke of Berwick) but others state that the outlawry cancelled his titles. In any case, his name was dropped from the Roll, and so it seems to be the opinion of the British Government that his titles were forfeit. Proteus 15:13, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I've added the places of his birth and death. 24.31.169.252 (talk) 05:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Full References[edit]

@user:Jgrantduff with these edits (4–25 May 2015) you added inline citations to:

  • Richard Holmes, "Marlborough", p.48
  • GM Thomson, The First Churchill, p.49-50
  • White-Spunner , p.127

But that is not enough to uniquely identify the source uniquely. What is needed to be added to the References section laid out in WP:CITEHOW. Also please check the other citations (added before May 2015) that use the same books, that the pages match the editions you added. -- PBS (talk) 09:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

@User:Aldebaran69 on 9 November 2014 you added a lot of information to this article without any citations to a reliable source. Please add some (CHALLENGE). -- PBS (talk) 09:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Picture description is wrong[edit]

Description bellow small picture writes: "Louis XIV of France creates James, Duke of Fitz-James in the Peerage of France, after the Battle of Almanza"

However, bigger versions of the same picture clearly show spanish coat of arms (behind the king) and order of golden fleece given to James FitzJames by Philip V of Spain. This decription is there for years, so I rather ask. Anyone objects if I correct this? Pavlor (talk) 09:01, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Corrected by IP. Thanks! Pavlor (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2017 (UTC)