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Sustainable retreat[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to merge Sustainable retreat here Jonathan A Jones (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I propose the article Sustainable retreat be merged here. It's not particularly notable, and there's room for it here. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I concur, it will fit nicely into the Geoengineering proposal section. -- Cdw ♥'s(talk) 21:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I also concur. There should be a redirect left under Sustainable retreat, but otherwise a full merger with James Lovelock seems like an obvious choice. 24.220.149.32 (talk) 04:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Apparently I forgot to log in before making my remarks above^. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 04:28, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 09:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


  • Full merge to this page leaving redirect is good. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Edit rationale[edit]

Lovelock has made a number of controversial statements regarding previous positions he has held. Inclusion of new statements into this article has created confusion over his position on global warming. They have also contributed to fragmenting of the article.

  • As of 13:37, 24 April 2012, user Grahamboat added comments made on MSNBC, citing the article: 'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change.
  • As of 19:58, 24 April 2012, IP user 96.248.81.68 added a new section titled "Reversal on Global Warming Theory". In the new section James Delingpole of "The Telegraph" quoted from the same MSNBC article .
  • As of 21:30, 24 April 2012, IP user 74.90.12.122 deleted all information in the above section claiming to: "remove false information & insert reliable source" citing the article: 'Gaia' Scientist Takes Back Climate Change Predictions.
  • As of 00:55, 25 April 2012, user Jonathan A Jones consolidated all the previous statements into a section renamed "Global warming alarmism".
  • As of 10:10, 25 April 2012 user Grahamboat removed the word "alarmism" from the section name.
  • As of 21:26, 25 April 2012, IP user 59.127.20.197 copy edited the Global warming section, without attribution, calling Lovelocks comments a "marketing gimmick" intended as "book hype" thereby creating WP:NPOV and/or WP:OR issues.

A series of mistakes resulted in the creation of a new section when Lovelock's statements belong in the "Climate and mass human mortality" section as they modify his views on climate change. Only the edit by IP user 59.127.20.197 on 25 April was truly inappropriate, the edit by IP user 96.248.81.68 on 24 April was WP:RS had it been attributed to the MSNBC article. Therefore, I will attempt to restore all WP:verifiable content. I will also add content from the article in the Guardian by Leo Hickman titled "James Lovelock: The UK should be going mad for fracking". His recent statements portray Lovelock as continuing his concern over global warming while at the same time criticizing extremism and suggesting alternatives to oil, coal and green solutions which he does not support. -- Cdw ♥'s(talk) 04:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I could see it was getting fragmented but couldn't really see how to fix it without a substantial set of moves - so thanks for taking this on. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 09:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Specificity of his electron capture detector?[edit]

How does he target a specific molecule to detect? How does he set up the device to specifically detect 1-beta-2-diethyl-crappa-fentanyl-methoxy-premidol for example? How does his device specifically look for just that 1 molecule only rather than getting a false positive? Tomato expert1 (talk) 14:56, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Dead link in footnote "[34]"[edit]

In this [18:57, 26 January 2013] edit: (("diff" page)), a footnote -- (it was footnote number "[34]", last time I checked) -- was added, whose link target now seems to be a dead link. (

Page Not Found

 

The page /storage/James Lovelock Letter.pdf could not be located on this website. We recommend using the navigation bar to get back on track within our site. If you feel you have reached this page in error, please contact a site operator. Thank you!

). The wikitext added at the time of that edit -- (as you can see from the "diff" page) -- is just this:

<ref>[http://www.bishop-hill.net/storage/James%20Lovelock%20Letter.pdf James Lovelock letter on wind turbines Broadbury Ridge]</ref>

. The "backups" of the link target that could be found on http://web.archive.org/ (i.e., using https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bishop-hill.net/storage/James%20Lovelock%20Letter.pdf) were only these two:

...and they were equally as disappointing as [the original link target] http://www.bishop-hill.net/storage/James%20Lovelock%20Letter.pdf itself.

I do not want to take the time to "contact a site operator". Maybe they could help to find some backup of what used to be there (at that URL) (http://www.bishop-hill.net/storage/James%20Lovelock%20Letter.pdf ); ...if someone asks politely. Maybe the author of the erstwhile "letter" on that web site (he is the subject of this BLP article -- [right?]) would be willing (and able) to assist the website maintainers, in finding it.

If you have any advice, then please (feel free to) chime in... --Mike Schwartz (talk) 02:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

a few minutes later (the same day)[edit]

Hello! Now it appears that [the original link target] http://www.bishop-hill.net/storage/James%20Lovelock%20Letter.pdf is no longer quite such a dead link any more; although, as the entries in the Wayback machine show, (see the "backups" of the link target that could be found on http://web.archive.org/ and are listed above), I was not just imagining the (temporary) difficulty. ("see also" the excerpt headed "Page Not Found" above.)
I have taken this opportunity to make a Webcite [archive] "backup" of the .PDF file, now that the link to it (at least the one from http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/1/25/lovelock-recants.html ) seems to be working OK.
The results may be seen in the revised footnote. Enjoy.
Resolved: "Case closed."
PS: There was something wrong with the usefulness of the revised footnote. (I was unable to successfully "click on" it, nor even to get a "preview" to show up, when the target was so far away as to require that; also, the link that is supposed to be "clickable", from the up-arrow [or "circumflex"] near the footnote, back to the referring section, does not seem to work.) I eventually figured out why. The problem has now been fixed via this recent edit.
Resolved: "via a one-character edit!"
--Mike Schwartz (talk) 03:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Nobel 1995[edit]

James Lovelock has not been awarded the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1995. Lovelock's work has been fundamental for the development of the work of the Nobel winners, nonetheless he didn't receive the award.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1995/

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1995/press.html

http://www.jameslovelock.org/page5.html

I suggest to revise the article.

Best

The article doesn't say that he shared the prize - I think that you've just misread what it does say. However, this may mean that it could be slightly tweaked to be clearer. --PLUMBAGO 11:04, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

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